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Moonhead -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/18/2013 6:55:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 How do you know that men are behind this university ruling? How do you know that it's anything to do with a university board? Looks more like part of an application for a grant or financial aid to me. [img]http://i.imgur.com/pBYOHnF.png[/img]

Lucylastic -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/18/2013 7:15:03 PM)
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LookieNoNookie -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/18/2013 7:18:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 http://imgur.com/pBYOHnF This poor chap goes to a top university where the women are just as qualified as the men, and outnumber the men. It bothers him that despite this fact, the women still receive preferential treatment in job recruitment. Why is this surprising? Blacks got it in the 60's, 70's and 80's....women get it now and all through the entire gig....through today... It's this simple: It should be based on merit...Black, White, Native American, African American, Latino, Hispanic.... Yeah? End of discussion.

naughtynick81 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/18/2013 7:59:19 PM)
If it was men who passed the ruling, who was it that pressured and pushed these men to make it happen? Oh, could have it been feminists? Would these men who apparently made this ruling take place would have done it without feminists whining to them in the first place? quote: It's this simple: It should be based on merit...Black, White, Native American, African American, Latino, Hispanic.... Thank you, if only more people could be so fair and logical. Unfortunately, it's rare amongst feminists/leftists. It makes people appear to be shameless hypocrites when they claim they want fairness and equality one minute while the next they want inequality with the reverse discrimination tactic. Actually, reverse discrimination shouldn't even be a term that's used. Discrimination is discrimination regardless who is facing it. If any human is facing it, it's the exact same. If men or white men face it, it's equally as bad as others who face it. If you want equality, that comes with treating men/white men as equals too. It's not equality to "pick and choose" what areas you want it in. Equality means equality, not only when it suits certain people.

tweakabelle -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 2:16:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 And if men did make that ruling, how is it the fault of other men who complain about it? How is it that fault of every male on the planet? Using your same logic, just because some women encourage female objectification, that means no other female who is against it is ever allowed to complain, it's all their fault. When someone points out the facts, you fall back to the victim role. Then you wonder why you are ignored. So all this boils down to: 1. A general claim of discrimination by an anonymous entity that claims to attend an unidentified "top university"; and 2. An section of an application form for some benefit from a State Investment Board, presumably offered as evidence of said discrimination. There doesn't appear to be any connection between 1. and 2. - certainly none is established. The alleged responsible parties "leftists' and 'feminists' are both broad churches encompassing a wide variety of views and philosophical positions, some of which are mutually exclusive. No evidence is offered to connect either leftists or feminists with either 1. or 2. In short, on this evidence, the claim of discrimination has no basis or merit whatsoever. Is there any reason to consider this as anything other than a whinge by some poor disaffected soul lashing out at his preferred targets indiscriminately? I'm pretty sure a psychologist would interpret it as a plea for attention but I am reluctant to make such judgements.

naughtynick81 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 2:34:49 AM)
quote: No evidence is offered to connect either leftists or feminists with either 1. or 2. Neither is blaming men for this but no one questions that. It's only questioned when feminists are blamed. It's hilarious how many double standard games people play in this forum. Just like how when a male complains about male issues, he is demanded to wave a magic wand and do something about it. When a female complains about female issues on this forum, no one is seen asking her and criticising her to do something about it. Instead, sympathy all around. This forum has double standards galore. quote: In short, on this evidence, the claim of discrimination has no basis whatsoever. ROFL, the evidence is clear right in your face. It's practically glaring right in your face. Take a look http://imgur.com/pBYOHnF Preferential treatment EQUALS DISCRIMINATION. What part of this don't you understand? People jump up and down about males/white males giving other males/white males preferential treatment. But all the sudden its magically acceptable when others get preferential treatment. My god, the shameless hypocrisy is massive. I can't believe people can be such shameless hypocrites. What is wrong with these people? quote: Is there any reason to consider this as anything other than a whinge by some poor disaffected soul lashing out at his preferred targets indiscriminately? Yes, how dare this be mentioned. Men are expected to shut up and never say a word about it, right? Just like how the stone aged cave men used to treat women. Any injustice towards men, we aren't allowed to have our freedom of disagreement and expression over it. Fuck democracy! Men aren't allowed to have a say and disagree. Only women have that privilege when it comes to gender issues. As I said earlier in another posts, you people are no better than the men/white men who truly are discriminators and tyrants against others. You act the exact same and are completely shameless about it.

Lucylastic -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 3:25:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 And if men did make that ruling, how is it the fault of other men who complain about it? How is it that fault of every male on the planet? Using your same logic, just because some women encourage female objectification, that means no other female who is against it is ever allowed to complain, it's all their fault. When someone points out the facts, you fall back to the victim role. Then you wonder why you are ignored. So all this boils down to: 1. A general claim of discrimination by an anonymous entity that claims to attend an unidentified "top university"; and 2. An section of an application form for some benefit from a State Investment Board, presumably offered as evidence of said discrimination. There doesn't appear to be any connection between 1. and 2. - certainly none is established. The alleged responsible parties "leftists' and 'feminists' are both broad churches encompassing a wide variety of views and philosophical positions, some of which are mutually exclusive. No evidence is offered to connect either leftists or feminists with either 1. or 2. In short, on this evidence, the claim of discrimination has no basis or merit whatsoever. Is there any reason to consider this as anything other than a whinge by some poor disaffected soul lashing out at his preferred targets indiscriminately? I'm pretty sure a psychologist would interpret it as a plea for attention but I am reluctant to make such judgements. As the picture is complete baloney,,yeah I would say, its a whine, The very website address given in the pic itself gives you the options to edit your own sections and questions to ask, its a very poor attempt to make someone "apparently" a university look like its using reverse sexism. Its not even a very good job at photoshop its blatant bullshit masquerading as proof. But of course, someone with a whine looking for a place to happen would buy it hook line and sinker, and THEN ignore the evidence.

crazyml -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 3:55:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 quote: In short, on this evidence, the claim of discrimination has no basis whatsoever. ROFL, the evidence is clear right in your face. It's practically glaring right in your face. Take a look http://imgur.com/pBYOHnF Preferential treatment EQUALS DISCRIMINATION. What part of this don't you understand? Nick! Nick... it's a survey monkey survey... it's horseshit. Stop going on about it... it makes you look stupid.

naughtynick81 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 5:37:50 AM)
Oh yes, someone just made it up for the fun of it. Ya know, they were just bored and decided to make it for no real particular reason. It can't be that preferential treatment exist for women, noooo. People just make it up because because because because ummmm they are bored or something. You feminists and leftists either make up any excuse under the sun for why it should be okay for men to be discriminated against or you just totally deny it. Only a bigot has this mindset. Anyway, there's no use going back and forth. It's glaringly obvious that this forum has a lot of feminists and leftists who hold massive bias against the male gender, even the gynocentric males.

Moonhead -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 5:45:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Neither is blaming men for this but no one questions that. So who's blaming men for anything in this thread, pray tell? All I see is you blaming the evil feminist conspiracy for something bad that you're refusing to name or provide any evidence for.

Owner59 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 6:31:46 AM)
I don`t know,who would want to earn 20 to 30 % less as a rule?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 6:52:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So who's blaming men for anything in this thread, pray tell? All I see is you blaming the evil feminist conspiracy for something bad that you're refusing to name or provide any evidence for. Doesn't he always play this broken record??

Baroana -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 7:36:37 AM)
Alright, I am going to say it. OP, think you are one of those sub guys that says stupid shit in order to get off on being humiliated for it.

Zonie63 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 8:19:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 Oh yes, someone just made it up for the fun of it. Ya know, they were just bored and decided to make it for no real particular reason. It can't be that preferential treatment exist for women, noooo. People just make it up because because because because ummmm they are bored or something. I don't think anyone made it up. What you're actually addressing is Affirmative Action, which is something that a lot of people criticize. Affirmative Action was actually banned in California by popular mandate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996) It seems that Michigan and Washington have since passed similar measures. Attempts to overturn Proposition 209 have repeatedly failed in court. I guess the person who posted that screenshot is hoping that Wisconsin pass a similar measure, although I'm not sure if there's any such proposal in that state right now. You might have started a thread on the topic of Affirmative Action and gone over the pros and cons, rather than taking the approach you usually do. It's easier if you can anticipate the counter-arguments you might receive and address them ahead of time. I don't think anyone actually likes the idea of Affirmative Action, but some view it as a necessary evil to end a greater evil. Others might believe that it was useful for a while, but is no longer relevant. And then there are still others who might believe that it never worked at all and didn't achieve its stated objective of non-discrimination. There are also those who believe in a purely merit-based system and think that Affirmative Action might lower standards. There might also be some people who support Affirmative Action from the point of view of "now you know how we feel." I remember seeing that in a film I saw called "The Color of Fear," in which a white guy was complaining about Affirmative Action, and an Asian guy was justifying that by saying "now you know what we have to go through" (being discriminated against for reasons of race) or something to that effect. There are a number of different views and positions one can take on the matter.

searching4mysir -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 8:24:05 AM)
quote: Oh yes, someone just made it up for the fun of it. Yes they did. They thought it would be fun to watch people like you get your nuts twisted. It happens all the time on the Internet. Time to pull up your big boy panties.

Baroana -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 8:27:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: Oh yes, someone just made it up for the fun of it. Yes they did. They thought it would be fun to watch people like you get your nuts twisted. It happens all the time on the Internet. Time to pull up your big boy panties. Bon jour!

GoddessManko -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 9:05:50 AM)
You are kidding me, right? The US has had how many female presidents? Even in India where misogyny is rampant they have had women at the helm of leadership over the past few DECADES. Also look at who is most affected by poverty globally by FARRRRRRRRRRR. Mostly women and children. Spare me if women get a bit of credence in one tiny little University to give them a helping hand rather than the upperhand. Not to mention those of us women in our own daily lives who interact with village idiots on a daily basis who try to downplay our intelligence. LOL, get real. And to be frank, Women's Suffrage was NOT that long ago as was gender disparities which are STILL being ironed out today. As if I was going to let men get away with making such comments when it literally still is "a man's world". Try being a woman in the business world and tell ME how rosy it is having sexual advances thrown at you left and right. University is only the stepping stone into the wolves' den. I really think the entire mindset men have towards women needs to change and they need to acknowledge when we ARE better, smarter, faster and more efficient than they are. :)[sm=mistress.gif][sm=mistress.gif][sm=mistress.gif]

JeffBC -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 9:27:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko You are kidding me, right? The US has had how many female presidents?.... As a male who used to be a proud feminist I pretty much agree point by point. You've pretty much nailed it which is exactly why I dislike what's happened to feminism. Nowadays I cannot align with any feminist agenda because honestly that'd be fucking stupid of me. So I have to be careful to align with individual issues. I think there's still more work to be done in fixing shit for women but man it's hard as hell to help without shooting my own self in the foot. Actually I had perhaps foolishly had higher hopes that we were on the "let the grey hairs die" part of the curve until this most recent business with the neocons.

naughtynick81 -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 4:54:03 PM)
Ok, this reply is going to be a real quicky as time is not my friend today. quote: You are kidding me, right? The US has had how many female presidents? Yes, discrimination does exist but to generalise men and have prejudice against men for blaming them entirely for this is being sexist against men within it's self. People like you seem to ignore that women with children on a general basis choose family over career which is why there are far less women climbing up the career ladder than men. The whole point is about "choices". This leads to less females compared to males going for these higher positions. So therefore, it's inevitable that the outcome will be that it will most likely be a male who will fill these positions. If there are 10 males and 5 females going for the same position, who is more likely going to get it? A male or female? The us department of labour study explains this theory about women's choices. Feminists are too busy blaming men for the choices women are making. http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf quote: Also look at who is most affected by poverty globally by FARRRRRRRRRRR. Mostly women and children Globally in other countries, you have a point but not in the US or Australia or other western nations. For example, as explained in this study, men take up most of the lowest paying jobs. http://www.warrenfarrell.com/labor_day_art.htm Also, who are the majority of homeless? Oh could it be men? Ignorance is bliss in a feminist minded person. I am in no denial that there would be some men/white men out there that will discriminate others who are different. But it bothers me how some women and some people from minority groups use this excuse every single time they fail in getting somewhere they want to be. Plenty of people usually just use men/white men as a scapegoat for their own failings. It's utter sexist and racist against white men. But people are so damn blind to that brand of sexism and racism. I would like to carry on but I need to get the fuck out of here. Have fun grinding your teeth over the truth.

tazzygirl -> RE: The feminist version of equality (3/19/2013 5:26:45 PM)
awwww nikki darlin, its not us who are gnashing their teeth over all this. [:D]

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