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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 12:02:23 PM

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...Why is it that so few people are prepared to examine at the issues from this perspective?

Because, like many western 'civilised' societies, it's easier to blame the poor victim.

"She was asking for it" is the common defense.
Really??
From most of those cases that actually manage to get to court, the girls were in a drunken stupor or completely passed out.
So how can they "ask for it" exactly??
Did they suddenly wake up and shout "I wanna be raped by as many as can raise a stiffy.."?
I doubt it!

It's modern society and the roots of those perpetuating such nonsense need to be made an example of - not let off!

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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 5:54:35 PM

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When I was young I ran with the rough party crowd. I knew two girls who made the mistake of getting too drunk at parties and ended up being the entertainment for the night. They were told by others and heard the rumors days later at school since back then there were no cell phones or internet. There were no videos or texts about it. I knew back then to stay safe I needed to not get too drunk. Still more then once I thought I would have to start hitting to get past some drunk guy who thought I was asking for it by flirting with him even though until I was grabbed I had no idea he was even there.

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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 8:19:11 PM

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Is it something in the culture of youth sports?

In my opinion it is much broader than that. We live in a lawless society which values winning over "doing good". The boys in Stuebenville were exposed throughout their whole lives to messages that basically said, "If you're powerful you can do whatever you want and people will let you get away with it". In this case, their sports hero status gave them status which caused them to think in these terms. And, in fact, it would've played out that way but for the fluke of going viral.

Are the values (or more accurately lack of values) that enable these horrors part of the cultures of these teams?
In my opinion it's the society. I also still mull over what Aswad said one time. In the end, these boys lived in a violent, brutal society -- as evidenced by the various calls for unspeakable torture to be visited upon the rapists. I mean seriously... what exactly does that say about our society.

Is this a way these males feel they need to 'prove' their 'masculinity'?
Perhaps.. and god knows I think our society has lost it's way insofar as 'masculinity' goes? But I think I'm going to stick with entitlement and lawlessness as sufficient to explain this. Our elected leaders, movie stars, etc. do this shit all the time and we look the other way. Why should these boys think anything different would happen to them?

Why is it that so few people are prepared to examine at the issues from this perspective?
Because it's simpler to vent one's outrage (no matter which side the outrage is on) than it is to inspect underlying causes and try to do something about them. I'd have a couple other ways I'd want want to examine this situation from also but honestly, this is America and there's no profit in those investigations. "The Market" says nobody cares.

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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 9:17:25 PM

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Keep in mind, too, that a town like Steubenville, Ohio, doesn't exactly have a lot to be proud of, it is a tired, blue collar, once industrial town that has seen better days, so sports, especially football, become major points of pride (as I noted before, the movie "Friday Night Lights" captures it perfectly). When their heroes let them down, they react to protect the heroes, simple as that. What is one girl, who I suspect is a troubled kid based on some things I have read, against the glory of the football team? If there was any moral leadership in that town, they would be speaking up and shaming the people, but all the usual suspects are silent, the civic leaders, the church leaders, they are are dead silent, which is sad.

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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 9:20:38 PM

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Sad, and widespread. Blue collar has nothing to do with it.

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Keep in mind, too, that a town like Steubenville, Ohio, doesn't exactly have a lot to be proud of, it is a tired, blue collar, once industrial town that has seen better days, so sports, especially football, become major points of pride (as I noted before, the movie "Friday Night Lights" captures it perfectly). When their heroes let them down, they react to protect the heroes, simple as that. What is one girl, who I suspect is a troubled kid based on some things I have read, against the glory of the football team? If there was any moral leadership in that town, they would be speaking up and shaming the people, but all the usual suspects are silent, the civic leaders, the church leaders, they are are dead silent, which is sad.

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RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict - 3/23/2013 11:26:25 PM

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