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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Oh, and I should add: I was one of the "lunatic dangerous fringe" 12% in your poll (at time of writing) that supported abortion, didn't support capital punishment, and was anti-gun.

Or, possibly the most boringly average opinion of Brits using this forum. Just saying. ;-) Not a single eyebrow would be raised by any Brit reading this - I can absolutely assure you.

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I am Pro-2nd ammendment, pro-CHOICE, and anti-capital punishment.

I doubt anyone is pro-abortion.

Correct me if I am wrong, but does not "pro choice" mean that the option of abortion is there? What is the difference?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Oh, and I should add: I was one of the "lunatic dangerous fringe" 12% in your poll (at time of writing) that supported abortion, didn't support capital punishment, and was anti-gun.

Or, possibly the most boringly average opinion of Brits using this forum. Just saying. ;-) Not a single eyebrow would be raised by any Brit reading this - I can absolutely assure you.

And hopefully I'll be able to move there one day.

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I am Pro-2nd ammendment, pro-CHOICE, and anti-capital punishment.

I doubt anyone is pro-abortion.

Correct me if I am wrong, but does not "pro choice" mean that the option of abortion is there? What is the difference?

for me the difference would be that pro choice is supporting the option of having an abortion versus supporting the practice of abortion. i am pro choice ( my personal choice happens to be no ) to a limit. when abortion becomes the preferred method of birth control ( instead of using condoms/the pill etc ) is where i feel it is wrong.

i know this question wasn't directed at me but i chose to answer it anyway.

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Ignoring the jurisdictional differences (between, say, Texas and New York, one of which doesn't have the death penalty), it seems to be disproportionately applied to those from a lower economic class and from minority races, as well as those who have lower IQs. Jeff mentioned drunkards defending these defendants earlier...I'm not sure that happens much anymore (though it certainly did at one time). Instead, I see a lot of racism in the jury selection and a lack of constitutional rights (4A search-and-seizure rules, for instance, are riddles with so many exceptions that they almost may as well not exist) as being the biggest problems.

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Now the fact that are lot of the wingnut fundie right in favour of capital punishment but opposed to abortion is definitely a bit of cognitive dissonance

Not really. Some would say that capital punishment IS pro-life because it protects society from the offender in cases where incarceration is not sufficient. We are talking about the difference between innocent life (the unborn) and criminals that have been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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No offence, JLF, but your poll is fundamentally American-biased. For instance, most First World countries don't have capital punishment anymore. Only extremists in those countries would support it - people who'd be considered a bit looney. Likewise, abortion is accepted in most of those countries and there's little fundamental, moral or religious debate about it amongst the majority of people. Most First World countries have nothing like your right wing bible-thumpers. They're alien to us.

There's a large swathe of people who think that they have moderate, middle-of-the-road views on things, which (they assume) must be therefore be "balanced" and "sensible" views by definition of that fact. This is crap, of course. On most matters political or religious, particularly, the USA is very much an individual entity. The rest of the First World just isn't wired the same way.

It really is time that we all took it on board here at CM: Americans are on their own, out on the extremes, and basically a bit odd, amongst English-speakers as a whole.

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This is going to be interesting. Give your reasons please.

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At one time in my life I was in favor of abortion, even though I am Catholic. Then some years ago, I watched a story on one of the National Networks (pre 2000 cable channel choices) that focused on women who had multiple abortions and basically considered it a form of birth control, at which point I changed my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
At one time in my life I was in favor of abortion, even though I am Catholic. Then some years ago, I watched a story on one of the National Networks (pre 2000 cable channel choices) that focused on women who had multiple abortions and basically considered it a form of birth control, at which point I changed my opinion.

So hang on, the actions of a handful of irresponsible fuckwits should remove an option for everybody else?
That's almost like saying that some idiot with a small cock and a big gun shooting up a primary school warrants a handgun ban, isn't it?
Seriously, can you not see an analogy here?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's still more than half, even if that figure hasn't been invented, fiddled or otherwise contrived.

Again: if abortion should be banned because a minority of women use it as a form of birth control, then gun possession should be banned because a minority of gun owners use their guns for spree killings.
How do the two histrionic examples of crazed moralism differ, except that you agree with one but see the other as a personal insult?

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No offence, JLF, but your poll is fundamentally American-biased. For instance, most First World countries don't have capital punishment anymore. Only extremists in those countries would support it - people who'd be considered a bit looney. Likewise, abortion is accepted in most of those countries and there's little fundamental, moral or religious debate about it amongst the majority of people. Most First World countries have nothing like your right wing bible-thumpers. They're alien to us.

There's a large swathe of people who think that they have moderate, middle-of-the-road views on things, which (they assume) must be therefore be "balanced" and "sensible" views by definition of that fact. This is crap, of course. On most matters political or religious, particularly, the USA is very much an individual entity. The rest of the First World just isn't wired the same way.

It really is time that we all took it on board here at CM: Americans are on their own, out on the extremes, and basically a bit odd, amongst English-speakers as a whole.

You make America sound like North Korea or Albania during the Cold War. Do you really think we're that bad?

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That's still more than half, even if that figure hasn't been invented, fiddled or otherwise contrived.

Again: if abortion should be banned because a minority of women use it as a form of birth control, then gun possession should be banned because a minority of gun owners use their guns for spree killings.
How do the two histrionic examples of crazed moralism differ, except that you agree with one but see the other as a personal insult?

Gee that seems to be everyone's argument concerning gun bans, so why is it different?

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It really is time that we all took it on board here at CM: Americans are on their own, out on the extremes, and basically a bit odd, amongst English-speakers as a whole.

You make America sound like North Korea or Albania during the Cold War. Do you really think we're that bad?

Of course he does. He's British.