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What rights are you willing to give up?


Gun ownership of any gun not a flintlock
  12% (7)
Abortion
  13% (8)
Privacy of email
  3% (2)
Privacy of text messages
  5% (3)
Privacy of phone calls
  3% (2)
Freedom to express beliefs on the internet (not a paper based media)
  1% (1)
right to use a car
  6% (4)
right to travel by air
  6% (4)
none of the above
  46% (27)


Total Votes : 58
(last vote on : 3/24/2013 1:03:10 PM)
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What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 6:10:58 AM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.

Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 6:29:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		The right to own a gun....after all, right now I am not allowed to own one alrady  and don't want one either

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 6:37:12 AM   
WantsOfTheFlesh


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Status: offline 		just ticked them all!

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:02:44 AM   
DesideriScuri


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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.
Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up?


Who has a right to drive a car or travel by air?


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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:03:43 AM   
FunCouple5280


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Status: offline 		Of all of those the most benign I think is text messages. Very few consequences. Yet, losing any of those would be unsettling.

However, you are missing something. You have neither the right to fly or drive as it is. You can buy a car, but you must have a license drive it. Same with a plane. As a passenger, you need the permission of the owner to fly or ride. You have to pass tests and pay fees, therefore you do not have a right to a drivers license

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:04:02 AM   
Zonie63


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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.

Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up?


I don't think I'd be willing to give up any of these rights, although being male, I doubt that I'd ever exercise my right to have an abortion.

As for the right to drive a car, I've always heard people say that "driving is a privilege, not a right." I don't know if that's the Constitutionally correct position, but that seems to be the general sentiment as I've heard it.


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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:27:51 AM   
lovmuffin


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Status: offline 		I'm not checking any of them. Now I'll never know what the percentages are. This will be awful not knowing.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:30:14 AM   
searching4mysir


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I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.


If that's the case, then porn on the Internet isn't covered by the First Amendment either Do they really want to go there?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:30:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.
Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up?


Who has a right to drive a car or travel by air?


Everybody that is not a threat or a danger to society in pursuit of those endeavors and the others that share the right. They are not specified in the constitution yet are not denied by it either.

Oh and no don't take my flintlock...got to have my flintlock.

< Message edited by MrRodgers -- 3/21/2013 8:33:38 AM >

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:32:37 AM   
searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered.
Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up?


Who has a right to drive a car or travel by air?


Everybody that is not a threat or a danger to society in pursuit of those endeavors and the others that share the right. They are not specified in the constitution yet are not denied by it either.



Actually, the State grants the privilege to drive a car providing you are of a certain age (or older), pass both a written and a practical test, as well as get licensed and insured if you plan on driving on the State's roads.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 8:37:56 AM   
Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

Of all of those the most benign I think is text messages. Very few consequences. Yet, losing any of those would be unsettling.

However, you are missing something. You have neither the right to fly or drive as it is. You can buy a car, but you must have a license drive it. Same with a plane. As a passenger, you need the permission of the owner to fly or ride. You have to pass tests and pay fees, therefore you do not have a right to a drivers license

Most of the comparisons listed are specious, really.
(As is the whole "no guns besides muskets are covered by the second" thing, which is probably the point. The whole standing army being essential thing seems more of a constitutional objection to somebody keeping a tank in their drive, after all...)

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 10:12:00 AM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		Personally I am not willing to give up anything, I am actually surprised that there are even results to show.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 11:53:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Travel by car or air is not a right, it is a privilege not guaranteed under the constitution.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 12:45:33 PM   
YN


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Status: offline 		I checked none of them and that was the vote. However you should add a "none of the above" possibility.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 12:48:01 PM   
Bigsqueezer


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Status: offline 		The gun is sort of addressed in the second amendment of the constitution - NONE of the rest listed are a right - nope - we do not have any guarantees on any of those.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 12:51:25 PM   
FunCouple5280


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Status: offline 		Freedom to express oneself on the internet? I think that is covered by numero uno....at least from the standpoint what you express if you have access.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 1:25:52 PM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		That's actually debatable: if it was constitutionally protected under the first, then everybody would have to have access.
(Mind you, that goes for the whole "free speech" thing in general: speech is rarely free, and can often prove ridiculously expensive.)

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 1:27:09 PM   
Bigsqueezer


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Status: offline 		Recent consideration such as France vs Twitter - France has hate speech requirements. If you say something that qualifies as hate speech like, I think all red head men with opinions about right should get kicked in the balls, they can censor and redact your statement; and they will. The internet is a global community that is mostly free but our constitution does not really govern it. please do not get me wrong - i would like all those listed to be rights - but seriously sure they are not.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 1:32:25 PM   
FunCouple5280


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Status: offline 		Twitter is a portal and you must agree to its terms of service... hence, they can censor you. If you put up your own website and host it yourself in the US. You can say whatever foul shit you want. Look up any number racist groups on the web.....

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/21/2013 1:35:07 PM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		Don't a few of the blogsites refuse to censor and just put a "you sure you want to look at this vile shit?" warning on any blog they host that might possibly offend anybody?

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