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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/23/2013 9:27:19 PM   
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Sorry, but I don't really see a problem with a place deciding it is "adult only." No one complains about children not being in a bar, do they?

If a restaurant were to say that no children under, say 12, after 6:30, I don't see it as a problem. Small children should eat earlier, because they should be going to bed earlier. Adults should have the option of knowing there is somewhere they can go where there will be no children present. Yes, some children are well behaved (my son only really acted up that one time), but by setting a time where children are no longer welcome, it allows those who don't like children, or even those parents who hired a babysitter for a nice evening out, to enjoy it without having to potentially have to listen to screaming children, or have them running past their table at dinner.


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/23/2013 11:01:52 PM   
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Never acceptable to me. I suppose I wouldn't scream at someone who brought their <11month old little one, because I'd imagine said little one wouldn't understand/follow the conversation, but I'm pretty sure I'd walk out, and say something, if said lil one was >1 year old, in an adult meeting. M

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 3:12:31 PM   
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I am aniti 'bring the baby to the munch' stance. If the munch is labeled as adults only, that's the way it should stay and the attendees shouldn't be bringing children, whether that is two weeks old or two weeks shy of their eighteenth birthday. It sends a conflicting message to any first time attendees for them to walk in, see a child, and have them thinking it's cool to bring their three year old next time. And, guess what? They'd be within their right to do so because the "adults only" requirement wasn't adhered to before, was it?

If you want to show off the new baby, you can always hold a "family friendly" get together. Leave the adults only function for adults.




I totally agree with this. ^^^^ I am with LP on not having kids at munches. I feel a munch is a place for adults, 18 and over. In our area, that's the way it is, and then we also have family-friendly get togethers for kinksters and their kids to go to, like picnics, potlucks, (family-friendly)movies & munchies, etc. So it's not like we never get to see each other's families.

In my local area, just this issue came up a couple years ago. A couple brought their one-month old to the 18+ munch without clearing it ahead of time and he was a screamer. No one minded her nursing the baby, but he made a lot of noise and got on some nerves. So for about six months give or take, there was a division and a rift between some of the munch-goers over that baby, fairly dividing the community. It led to a lot of judgment and bickering, name-calling etc that was just no good. Everyone in the community learned why kids are not allowed at our munches.

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This is not a very child friendly country.

I had to look at your profile and find out if you were from the U.S or not and found that you are. I have to disagree with your statement about this not being a child friendly country. Everywhere I go, I am subjected to screaming kids in stores and restaurants, kids that the parents let run free so they are screaming and running up and down the aisles in stores and in between the booths and tables in restaurants. When those kids start screaming, and yes their parents allow it to continue, their screams rip through my brain like fingernails on a blackboard.

Don't get me wrong. I do love kids. I have kids of my own that are now grown adults. Someday I hope to have grandkids. But this kid-centric society has gone mad. Some, NOT all, of today's parents let their kids run out of control and it's very disrespectful to the rest of us. I was never allowed to behave that way when I was a kid and I never allowed mine to behave that way either. People who allow their kids to act that way are doing them no favor when they let their kids grow up to be adults who are self-centered and inconsiderate of others.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 5:30:52 PM   
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It is nuts how some kids are allowed to run wild today, It is not hard to raise well behaved children. I am on my 3rd and none of them ever ran wild or screamed in a store. The only time my kids have ever even screamed in public was when they were playing and she fell hitting her head and ended up with a nasty gash in her forehead. I have never had to drag my kids out of a public area due to a fit. I scratch my head at people since I know it is not that hard to have well behaved children. Trust me I am very very far from the perfect mother and yet my kids behave.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 5:33:00 PM   
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If you have to have kids with you, probably a munch isn't where they should be.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 6:22:05 PM   
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I admit if I go someplace and I see children there, even if they are well behaved, I usually don't want to always be there. I have an adult child now. I did my time. I don't wanna go back. When I go to a lot of places I wanna see adults, not children.

I'm not saying I don't like kids...sure...but I'm like grandma....let me hold them for a couple of minutes and then give them back to you and if you need me to take them for the weekend....I'm busy.


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 7:47:18 PM   
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Depends on how old - if no kids, any age, ought be present, it's not a munch, it's a play party - going strictly on my local group. Otherwise, how fast do you want them to grow up?

i.e., it's often just adult conversation, when it's not about motorcycle racing, and not even all adults can handle adult conversation.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 7:51:41 PM   
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I admit if I go someplace and I see children there, even if they are well behaved, I usually don't want to always be there. I have an adult child now. I did my time. I don't wanna go back. When I go to a lot of places I wanna see adults, not children.

I'm not saying I don't like kids...sure...but I'm like grandma....let me hold them for a couple of minutes and then give them back to you and if you need me to take them for the weekend....I'm busy.

These are My thoughts exactly.

Recently, one of the folks in our area posted on our local group about doing family friendly events over the summer. My response (she was asking general feelings about it) was that I'll most likely stick to the adult only munches and play parties. I get that folks have their kids home for the summer, etc, but it's really not My thing.

MP and I jokingly refer to the kids now being grown as "boom...... out of the house".



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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 7:53:22 PM   
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hahaha....know the feeling. When my daughter left I was like "I'm throwing a party!"

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 7:59:20 PM   
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It is nuts how some kids are allowed to run wild today, It is not hard to raise well behaved children. I am on my 3rd and none of them ever ran wild or screamed in a store. The only time my kids have ever even screamed in public was when they were playing and she fell hitting her head and ended up with a nasty gash in her forehead. I have never had to drag my kids out of a public area due to a fit. I scratch my head at people since I know it is not that hard to have well behaved children. Trust me I am very very far from the perfect mother and yet my kids behave.


I have to say congratulations to you on how you raise your kids. I don't have children but I've enjoyed interacting with kids during my life. However, I don't see what's wrong with teaching kids that they have to share the planet with other people and need to be thoughtful and respectful of other folks. My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.

No, I don't want kids around in an adult event. Yeah, I know everyone who has children believes their kids are super special and that the whole world should appreciate their specialness. Um, no.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:12:39 PM   
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Oh good lord, will give you the benefit of doubt for being new. If I'm your biggest problem you have a sad life. Nowhere do I say gay people are pedophiles. As for more time spent on your rant...not worth it becaise you have no idea what I do in the GLBT community.but hey thenks for the assumptions & education want to pull the wadded panties out now?
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Uhhhh where exactly do you think a child pervs favorite place to eat is?? Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located

ETA: this reminded me of a year ago walking in the park I walk past odd behaving out of place dude with a camera. Didn't think much until i stopped for dog watering & noticed guy taping little girl playing in the meadow. Call mom over telling her man is taping her kid. She says "yeah that's my husband" pointing the opposite direction from perv dude. I say "no that one over there" & point. Woman points & starts screaming about give her the tape & takes off after him with dad in hot pursuit leaving daughter playing with the dasies.
Stayed close to girl & called cops who later caught him taping a different family. Luckily dad had taped the perv & didn't realize it. Turned out to be local child porn guy. .
Lesson is always listen when my dogs growl at someone "for no reason"


There are sick people out there, but one note, the line "Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located" is offensive. If you said "Scarier is the guy who knows where every local playland and park is located", it would be okay, but that is offensive for several reasons:

1)saying 'might be gay' assumes that someone who is gay wants to go ofter children. People who go after children are pedophiles, they are attracted to children (usually male or female), and it is the fact that they are children that attracts them (they have stunted sexual development of some sort).

2)A large percentage of child molesters are married, not single

3)Most pedophiles are otherwise straight men, who have a fetish for young children. Pedophiles in general can be attracted to young children of either sex, in part because young kids are pretty androgynous.

4)that line assumes that a questioning gay male would first thing run to a park to find a young child, and that quite frankly is the worst of the lot, that is almost a blood libel, repeated on right wing talk radio, by the religiously stupid and general stupid fuckwads in general. Yeah, there is a group (or used to be) called Nambla that wanted to legalize sex with young boys, but they were treated as pariahs in the lGBT community and no gay rights group, or gays in general, would support them, for obvious reasons but mostly out of disgust, I know a lot of gay men and women, and the last thing in the world they would find attractive is a child. What you wrote is tantamount to saying gays are all pedophiles, and that quite frankly is disgusting. Do you also think that gays come about from being molested, that gays are out to 'convert' more of their kind? That may hold true for vampires in fantasy books, but if that is what you believe, I feel truly sorry for you.



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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:20:51 PM   
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I have to say congratulations to you on how you raise your kids. I don't have children but I've enjoyed interacting with kids during my life. However, I don't see what's wrong with teaching kids that they have to share the planet with other people and need to be thoughtful and respectful of other folks. My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.

No, I don't want kids around in an adult event. Yeah, I know everyone who has children believes their kids are super special and that the whole world should appreciate their specialness. Um, no.

I would say its only a cultural thing if their is a society designed to raise demon spawn. HATE apartments for this very reason

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:24:55 PM   
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hahaha....know the feeling. When my daughter left I was like "I'm throwing a party!"

I did that when my oldest moved out. I have a friend that was not dealing well with her baby moving out and she thought I was the worst parent ever. Well to put it lightly he had been a pain in the ass and I was relieved he got a place of his own. Just as I thought would happen time on his own made him see very clearly how good he had it at home when mamma and pappa took care of everything. LOL My daughter on the other hand was so sad to see her brother move out and she was too young to say he is only 3 miles away and I am sure he will be back when he gets hungry.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:27:40 PM   
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Kids? At a munch? Huh?

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:31:28 PM   
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Right Pyramus! I do not go to alot so when I saw one I figured oh well someone did not know. Now I have had several ask me to come to the next one and bring my baby. Uh.. no. I told two of them that if they want to see my baby so bad they know where I live so come on over and take a look. I am not taking her to a munch.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 8:35:32 PM   
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Personally, I think adult matters, and get togethers should stay among the adults. Get a babysitter, Common sense here. Our children will find there own paths eventually to lead them to these things when they are adults, if they are so inclined. If your friends suggesting that had ever had DHS involvement in there life, they would think a little harder before suggesting you involve your kids in a adult atmosphere. Thats like the local bar whore deciding to leave her kids in the car while she goes drinking! As far as I am concerned all Fetish play, and discussions should be safe, sane and consensual. If your not old enough to consent you should not be subjected to these adult concepts.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/24/2013 10:36:17 PM   
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I would say its only a cultural thing if their is a society designed to raise demon spawn


I'd say that's about right.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 6:03:56 PM   
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I'm decidedly on the "no children/infants at munches". I'm not crashing the birthday parties at Chuckie Cheese, so for goodness sake hire a sitter or do the adult thing and stay at home if you can not secure suitable child care arrangements. Adult time is adult time, probably some mom's need a break from the kids and need adult time too.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 6:18:38 PM   
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My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.




This is one of the problems of living in an apartment where there are kids, or for the parents with children. If kids can't play during the day in their own home, where are they supposed to go?

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 6:20:33 PM   
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My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.




This is one of the problems of living in an apartment where there are kids, or for the parents with children. If kids can't play during the day in their own home, where are they supposed to go?




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