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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 6:24:55 PM   
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I have to say congratulations to you on how you raise your kids. I don't have children but I've enjoyed interacting with kids during my life. However, I don't see what's wrong with teaching kids that they have to share the planet with other people and need to be thoughtful and respectful of other folks. My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.

No, I don't want kids around in an adult event. Yeah, I know everyone who has children believes their kids are super special and that the whole world should appreciate their specialness. Um, no.

I would say its only a cultural thing if their is a society designed to raise demon spawn. HATE apartments for this very reason


No Its not and not only have you offended others with your comments of might be gay guy

but the fact that you believe Indian people raise "demon" spawn.....

I work with a company whos mostly Indian, and every single child Ive met has been polite, kind, respectful and better then half of the americans i know who raise children. its not a cultural thing, Its a your being a hypercritical, over jealous, otherwise pain in the ass with your way is the only way what so ever thing....

Kids are loud at times, it sucks, If you dont want to be somewhere where kids are allowed, Locked yourself in your home thats on a hundred acre plot away from everyone... and have everything ordered in... Otherwise realize kids are KIDS, some times they are loud, some times they run around, some times they just might fucking act like children do... And seeing as how HALF the adults on this thread are worse behaved then most 5 year olds... Yeah... Acting like children isnt really that big of a problem if the adults do it..

As for the op. When the child starts talking, and saying words, its when taking them to a munch isnt appropriate, but seeing as munches for the most part are held at restaurants where there isnt always a private room, and you cant dictate to the restaurant who they sit where, its likely that someone who isnt age appropriate is sat close enough to the munch. The last 5 munches I was at that were at a restaurant over a bar were like this...

In the 3 and half years of at least 8 munches a month, never once has someone bringing a baby been an issue, and never once has it caused problems... the people who have brought their infants/babies, have left if the child got fussy...

But then... this is collarme...



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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 6:36:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The last time I went to a munch the adults were intermingled with regular families with kids, talking openly about their sex lives, showing off whips and floggers, etc....it was the last time I decided to go to one because I fount the discussions inappropriate for the area. Had it been a bar or a private rented room or some such nature, then I would have said, go for it. But a family friendly restaurant is not the place.


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 7:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		However, as I'm sure you know, in an apartment sounds can be amplified. I'm not saying this is the case, and I certainly didn't let my son run and scream in the house when he was little (and it was an house, not an apartment), but often the sounds can be horribly amplified.

For example, I had a friend once who lived in a condo with her 4 year old child. What did the neighbor complain about? The sounds of my friend opening and closing her sliding closet door and flushing the toilet.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 7:15:03 PM   
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Kids are loud at times, it sucks, If you dont want to be somewhere where kids are allowed, Locked yourself in your home thats on a hundred acre plot away from everyone... and have everything ordered in... Otherwise realize kids are KIDS, some times they are loud, some times they run around, some times they just might fucking act like children do... And seeing as how HALF the adults on this thread are worse behaved then most 5 year olds... Yeah... Acting like children isnt really that big of a problem if the adults do it..

As for the op. When the child starts talking, and saying words, its when taking them to a munch isnt appropriate, but seeing as munches for the most part are held at restaurants where there isnt always a private room, and you cant dictate to the restaurant who they sit where, its likely that someone who isnt age appropriate is sat close enough to the munch. The last 5 munches I was at that were at a restaurant over a bar were like this...

In the 3 and half years of at least 8 munches a month, never once has someone bringing a baby been an issue, and never once has it caused problems... the people who have brought their infants/babies, have left if the child got fussy...

But then... this is collarme...




So you are one of those annoying people who feels that kids need to be kids and run around screaming in a restaurant. I'm sure the servers absolutely cringe and fight over who has to wait on you when you go.

As to the comment about munches, then why aren't babies permitted in strip joints? Bars?

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 7:18:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup. I used to live in apartments of all types when we moved around a lot with the military. No matter how well behaved children, families, people are, in apartments you can hear every single noise and it sounds worse than it is. I can remember hearing neighbors just talking in their normal voices, through my walls. I could hear the water running when they were taking a shower. I could smell the foods they were cooking coming through the pipes and vents. And I could hear children just being behaved children and just laughing and playing like kids do. I would say if this kind of stuff bothers you a lot then apartment living is probably not going to be a good match for you.

It's one of the reasons I'm glad I only have one neighbor and we have a thick brick wall and insulated walls between us. I never hear her. In the two years living here, I've never even seen her. But I know she's there with her trash out and her garage door going up from time to time.


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 8:07:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		OMG, you reminded me of a funny thing that happened when I lived in Florida. If you don't know, most of the apartment buildings in Florida have cinder block walls, so you don't really hear left or right of you. The ceilings, however, are just normal.

Anyway, I have always had the kind of insomnia where I have trouble getting to sleep. So often, I would be going to be around sunrise. I could hear my upstairs neighbor (who I never saw or met) getting ready for work, as our bedrooms and bathrooms were above and below each other directly. I could literally hear her peeing in the toilet, because at that hour, there aren't a lot of other noises, it's Florida, so you have AC not open windows and the vents carry sound.

I knew the cars for the other tenants, as did most of us. There was never a strange car in the parking lot. But a couple of times I could even hear her masturbating. Much more annoying than laughing children.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 8:11:51 PM   
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So you are one of those annoying people who feels that kids need to be kids and run around screaming in a restaurant. I'm sure the servers absolutely cringe and fight over who has to wait on you when you go.





My very first Dom.....his brother & sister in law had a set of two year twins that were so horrible that one restaurant demanded a security deposit whenever they came in to eat.




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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 8:24:16 PM   
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I don't give a scrap what you claim to do in the GLBT community, here is your exact quote:

"Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located"

If you aren't implying that gays are pedophiles, why do you have the "might be gay" in there? If someone is a pedophile, they are a pedophile, and there is zero reason to put that in there, unless you wish to imply gays are pedophiles. No, you aren't my biggest problem, you aren't even a problem, but unfortunately, what you just wrote there, is what a lot of fucking unbelievably stupid, ignorant assholes promote as fact, that the priests who molested boys did so because they were gay, or the droolers from down in the hookworm belt who bring up "Nambla" as proof GLBT people are into children, and I won't stand for it. You made the assumption, and that line above shows who made the assumptions, because it doesn't take an hour of critical analysis to figure out what that means. If you didn't mean to imply anything, why did you put it in there? and let's see if you can come up with an answer that doesn't set off everyone's bullshit detectors.

Oh good lord, will give you the benefit of doubt for being new. If I'm your biggest problem you have a sad life. Nowhere do I say gay people are pedophiles. As for more time spent on your rant...not worth it becaise you have no idea what I do in the GLBT community.but hey thenks for the assumptions & education want to pull the wadded panties out now?
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Uhhhh where exactly do you think a child pervs favorite place to eat is?? Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located

ETA: this reminded me of a year ago walking in the park I walk past odd behaving out of place dude with a camera. Didn't think much until i stopped for dog watering & noticed guy taping little girl playing in the meadow. Call mom over telling her man is taping her kid. She says "yeah that's my husband" pointing the opposite direction from perv dude. I say "no that one over there" & point. Woman points & starts screaming about give her the tape & takes off after him with dad in hot pursuit leaving daughter playing with the dasies.
Stayed close to girl & called cops who later caught him taping a different family. Luckily dad had taped the perv & didn't realize it. Turned out to be local child porn guy. .
Lesson is always listen when my dogs growl at someone "for no reason"


There are sick people out there, but one note, the line "Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located" is offensive. If you said "Scarier is the guy who knows where every local playland and park is located", it would be okay, but that is offensive for several reasons:

1)saying 'might be gay' assumes that someone who is gay wants to go ofter children. People who go after children are pedophiles, they are attracted to children (usually male or female), and it is the fact that they are children that attracts them (they have stunted sexual development of some sort).

2)A large percentage of child molesters are married, not single

3)Most pedophiles are otherwise straight men, who have a fetish for young children. Pedophiles in general can be attracted to young children of either sex, in part because young kids are pretty androgynous.

4)that line assumes that a questioning gay male would first thing run to a park to find a young child, and that quite frankly is the worst of the lot, that is almost a blood libel, repeated on right wing talk radio, by the religiously stupid and general stupid fuckwads in general. Yeah, there is a group (or used to be) called Nambla that wanted to legalize sex with young boys, but they were treated as pariahs in the lGBT community and no gay rights group, or gays in general, would support them, for obvious reasons but mostly out of disgust, I know a lot of gay men and women, and the last thing in the world they would find attractive is a child. What you wrote is tantamount to saying gays are all pedophiles, and that quite frankly is disgusting. Do you also think that gays come about from being molested, that gays are out to 'convert' more of their kind? That may hold true for vampires in fantasy books, but if that is what you believe, I feel truly sorry for you.



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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 8:28:22 PM   
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The last time I went to a munch the adults were intermingled with regular families with kids, talking openly about their sex lives, showing off whips and floggers, etc....it was the last time I decided to go to one because I fount the discussions inappropriate for the area. Had it been a bar or a private rented room or some such nature, then I would have said, go for it. But a family friendly restaurant is not the place.


As liberal as I am, all I have to say is *ick*......among other things, what the fuck were they thinking? Not only for kids, but for other adults, didn't they ever hear of being considerate to others? I am obviously a scene person, but if I saw a group doing that, you can bet I would read them the riot act, because they are non consensually forcing themselves on others, and I don't approve of that. I have heard people use the example of the Folstom Street fair in SF, but with that, people only have to go there if they wish to, they don't do it in the middle of market street.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 9:04:38 PM   
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OMG, you reminded me of a funny thing that happened when I lived in Florida. If you don't know, most of the apartment buildings in Florida have cinder block walls, so you don't really hear left or right of you. The ceilings, however, are just normal.

Anyway, I have always had the kind of insomnia where I have trouble getting to sleep. So often, I would be going to be around sunrise. I could hear my upstairs neighbor (who I never saw or met) getting ready for work, as our bedrooms and bathrooms were above and below each other directly. I could literally hear her peeing in the toilet, because at that hour, there aren't a lot of other noises, it's Florida, so you have AC not open windows and the vents carry sound.

I knew the cars for the other tenants, as did most of us. There was never a strange car in the parking lot. But a couple of times I could even hear her masturbating. Much more annoying than laughing children.



OMG LOL! Back when my husband was still in the military and stationed at Ft Carson we lived in this apartment that we could hear and smell our upstairs neighbors. I am not sure what nationality they were but they did not fight in engish and made the most horrible smelling food. One night we were trying to go to sleep and they were screaming at each other in whatever language they spoke. My husband finally had enough and stood on the bed to pound on the ceiling and screamed if you are going to fight at least do it in english. It was suddenly very quiet upstairs.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/25/2013 10:31:44 PM   
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I have to say congratulations to you on how you raise your kids. I don't have children but I've enjoyed interacting with kids during my life. However, I don't see what's wrong with teaching kids that they have to share the planet with other people and need to be thoughtful and respectful of other folks. My downstairs neighbors let their kids run wild, screaming, through their apartment. It literally shakes the building and makes listening to TV or trying to read impossible. When I complained to them in a polite manner I was told "they're children, what do you expect?". The family is Indian so I don't know if it has something to do with their culture.

No, I don't want kids around in an adult event. Yeah, I know everyone who has children believes their kids are super special and that the whole world should appreciate their specialness. Um, no.

I would say its only a cultural thing if their is a society designed to raise demon spawn. HATE apartments for this very reason


No Its not and not only have you offended others with your comments of might be gay guy

[B]but the fact that you believe Indian people raise "demon" spawn.....

I work with a company whos mostly Indian, and every single child Ive met has been polite, kind, respectful and better then half of the americans i know who raise children. its not a cultural thing, Its a your being a hypercritical, over jealous, otherwise pain in the ass with your way is the only way what so ever thing....

Hell of an imagination at play with your "facts". I dare you to actually prove in any factual, logical manner based on my actual life that I'm a homophobe or bigot...dare ya!!

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 12:47:48 AM   
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In the 3 and half years of at least 8 munches a month, never once has someone bringing a baby been an issue, and never once has it caused problems... the people who have brought their infants/babies, have left if the child got fussy...

But then... this is collarme...
No offense, but I can say that it would have been an issue with Me. Not because of the baby fussing or anything like that, but because of the fact that the organizers most likely advertised the event as an "18 and over" munch and as an attendee, I have the right to expect that.

Keep in mind, I, and the person who brought the baby, probably saw the event posted as adult only when it was listed. Due to the FACT that I was told it would be adults only, I planned My attendance. Had I known in advance that somebody was going to bring their little bundle of joy, I'd have made plans elsewhere. Now, how is that fair to Me and the other folks who wanted a child free evening among the members of the group when another member breaks the rules?

What message does this send to attendees? Are there other rules that the organizers don't see fit to adhere? Why should I put any faith in a group that can't control their own munch attendance or tell people that eighteen and up really does mean eighteen and up?





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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 12:57:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had much more of a problem with someone bringing their teenage daughter along to the Munch than a kid.

However turns out I was just wrong. 'teen daughter turned out to be in her 20's and very much knowing her own mind. But it freaked me out to start with.....overly protective much?

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 2:58:39 AM   
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In the 3 and half years of at least 8 munches a month, never once has someone bringing a baby been an issue, and never once has it caused problems... the people who have brought their infants/babies, have left if the child got fussy...

But then... this is collarme...
No offense, but I can say that it would have been an issue with Me. Not because of the baby fussing or anything like that, but because of the fact that the organizers most likely advertised the event as an "18 and over" munch and as an attendee, I have the right to expect that.

Keep in mind, I, and the person who brought the baby, probably saw the event posted as adult only when it was listed. Due to the FACT that I was told it would be adults only, I planned My attendance. Had I known in advance that somebody was going to bring their little bundle of joy, I'd have made plans elsewhere. Now, how is that fair to Me and the other folks who wanted a child free evening among the members of the group when another member breaks the rules?

What message does this send to attendees? Are there other rules that the organizers don't see fit to adhere? Why should I put any faith in a group that can't control their own munch attendance or tell people that eighteen and up really does mean eighteen and up?







No, Actually the only events in my area that are listed as any age and up, are munches in bars, and play parties, all the other munches do not list age requests or requirements...And at none of those munches did anyone with babies show up...

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 9:08:31 AM   
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No, Actually the only events in my area that are listed as any age and up, are munches in bars, and play parties, all the other munches do not list age requests or requirements...And at none of those munches did anyone with babies show up...
At least that is fair if people know what they are getting into. Like I said earlier, I'm not big on family friendly events and the only way I'll hit those is if we haven't had an opportunity to attend adult only.

I'm sure it sounds like a harsh stance, but you have to keep in mind that, these days, we drive a hundred miles into town to go to a munch. When I get there, if it says eighteen and up, that's what I want to find.



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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 9:57:01 AM   
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Yup. I used to live in apartments of all types when we moved around a lot with the military. No matter how well behaved children, families, people are, in apartments you can hear every single noise and it sounds worse than it is. I can remember hearing neighbors just talking in their normal voices, through my walls. I could hear the water running when they were taking a shower. I could smell the foods they were cooking coming through the pipes and vents. And I could hear children just being behaved children and just laughing and playing like kids do. I would say if this kind of stuff bothers you a lot then apartment living is probably not going to be a good match for you.
I've had the same experience. I love educated/well behaved little ones, and enjoyed having them (my nieces/nephews) over my apartment. They were lovely, and well behaved, but still the neighbors downstairs came to my door, complaining about the noise, and that their dishes were shaking downstairs. All I could say is, they aren't doing anything, but walking from room to room, and talking to me. What would you suggest I do with them? ***Silence***

As to the OP, my stance is strictly no youngins (<18y,o.) at munches, or anything I do associated with BDSM. I think it ought to be illegal as a matter of fact. I know, none of us wants to put our lifestyle/sexuality on hold for years/decades, but I have strict boundaries regarding protecting little ones. M


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 6:15:56 PM   
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The last time I went to a munch the adults were intermingled with regular families with kids, talking openly about their sex lives, showing off whips and floggers, etc....it was the last time I decided to go to one because I fount the discussions inappropriate for the area. Had it been a bar or a private rented room or some such nature, then I would have said, go for it. But a family friendly restaurant is not the place.


As liberal as I am, all I have to say is *ick*......among other things, what the fuck were they thinking? Not only for kids, but for other adults, didn't they ever hear of being considerate to others? I am obviously a scene person, but if I saw a group doing that, you can bet I would read them the riot act, because they are non consensually forcing themselves on others, and I don't approve of that. I have heard people use the example of the Folstom Street fair in SF, but with that, people only have to go there if they wish to, they don't do it in the middle of market street.


It's not the only one I ever attended like that. I have been to at least three others in 3 different states where something similar happened. I went to one where they made everyone wear name tags with their real names and again, everyone talked publicly about their sex lives. I refused to put on the name tag with my real name. Sorry but it was my first time there and I really had no interest in telling everyone who I was until I knew they weren't a bunch of kooks. I was glad I didn't wear one.

Another one I went to everyone was dressed in corsets, asses sticking out and everything else you could possibly imagine. Neither of these munches were held at bars or in private but again, family restaurants.

And there was another where the group was actually banned from the bar where they were holding their munches because the owner accused them of being obnoxious, loud, carrying around whips and such and hitting each other with them and just basically doing anything they could to freak people out. This was not a fetish bar, this was not some kind of nightclub but just a regular ole run of the mill bar where people go to enjoy a drink or two for a happy hour after work with their friends. Imo, if this group wanted to act like that then they should have held their munches at a fetish club or something similar.

It seems that a lot of people get into bdsm as a way to shock people and nothing else. They like to make people uncomfortable. They like bdsm for all the attention it brings them be it good or bad.

And it's also one of the reasons I no longer attend munches. I've been to too many where the same exact stuff happens time after time. That's not my kind of crowd.


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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 6:46:29 PM   
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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/26/2013 7:08:57 PM   
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Uhhhh where exactly do you think a child pervs favorite place to eat is?? Scarier is the single "might be gay" guy that knows where every local playland & park is located


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ORIGINAL: theRose4UI would say its only a cultural thing if their is a society designed to raise demon spawn

I'd say that's about right.

I have to say the above quotes, especially the bolded part, are so f*cking offensive and bigoted and/or racist, I can hardly believe my eyes. The people who say these things, tell us a lot about themselves.

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RE: Kids at munch?? - 3/27/2013 8:13:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have a young couple who brings their baby. It's not been a problem at all. I guess it's because we are such a small community in such a small city that it hasn't been an issue. We're also discussing a child-care option, with an older child of an attendee sitting for parents of young'uns so everyone can go to the events.
However a nursing babe should be with mom. I have no issue but I can see how it could get out of hand

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