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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
If these people are as concerned about womens' rights as they like to appear, then the place to begin is at home. There are ample grounds for concern about rape and violence against women and children here in the West. There is an awful lot more to be achieved before we can say that these issues have been resolved here in the West.
The best way we can help eliminate gender inequalities and violence against women and children in non-Western countries is to ensure that it is completely eradicated from our Western societies. Then we will have earned the right to tell others about the advantages of gender equality.
Tweak these aren't mutually exclusive positions, everyone should also be speaking up against children getting beaten for being raped. This violence against little girls is so blatantly wrong that even staunch misogynists can manage to get on the right side of this issue and speak out against the practice.
yup. the issue isnt about tweaks advanced western "gender equalities" but tha most basic sense of human dignity.
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Well, OK, then. But I guess we're much better off talking about particular flavours of Islam, aren't we? I mean, it isn't of much use to zero in on 'Christianity', say, in the context of the vast differences between the religious Right in the USA and nominally Christian people (such as myself, by birth and on some official documents) here in the UK. One very major distinction to make is that between basically secular states in mainly Muslim countries and Muslim theocracies, for instance . . . .
Yeah, and most of the people here have (repeatedly) pointed out that they get that being Muslim isn't homogeneous. But at page 12 we're still trying to get people to stop calling bigot and actually have that conversation.
doubt there arent islamophobes out there but tha whole "islamophobic" labelling thang is used to silence any sorta genuine discussion. even muslims are concerned bout radicalism so why shouldnt we http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2011/09/pew-poll-quantifies-the-radical-minority-of-us
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•Underlining the significance of homegrown Islamism, more U.S.-born Muslims than immigrants hold radical views. Native-born African-American Muslims lead with way: 11% have a favorable opinion of al-Qaeda, 16% say that attacking civilians can be religiously justified at least sometimes, and 40% see support for extremism among U.S. Muslims; each value is double the one characterizing Muslim Americans as a whole.
•Despite pseudo-academic studies smearing those who sound the alarm about radical Islam as "Islamophobes," Pew finds that 60% of Muslims are very or somewhat concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the U.S. — almost as high as the figure for the general public (67%). Are many Muslim Americans "Islamophobes" as well?
•The Pew poll, like Gallup's, erodes the Islamist meme that life in America is miserable for Muslims. Pew finds that 56% of Muslims are satisfied with the country's direction, compared to 23% of the general public. Muslims also are happier with their lives, have a more positive financial outlook, and feel more confident that hard work leads to success.
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