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What causes urban poverty


Ethnic or social majorities/1%ers/corporations
  11% (4)
Personal failures on the part of those so afflicted
  27% (10)
Karma
  0% (0)
An artful combination of the above
  38% (14)
Other - please expand
  22% (8)


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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 5:26:26 PM   
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Try this on for size. Today's minimum wage is worth less in actual spending power than the minimum wage was worth in 1960. The poor, minimum wage earner, along with those on the margins, like myself, who make just above minimum wage, are worst off than ever before. And we have higher local taxes than ever before.




this is not a personal attack, just saying.......

you have a house, a car, a computer, internet connection, and I assume a mobile phone too., and probably a few other things

sometimes people forget the meaning of poverty


It would appear that your definition of poverty includes sleeping under a bridge and eating from a dumpster.
How easily we can define ourselves out of poverty by listing the things that someone in bangledash has never heard of.
If we compare poor americans to rich americans we get a truer picture but you do not seem interested in a true picture????what is it that you are interested in vis-a-vis this thread?



I'm telling you...it's lack of money!


That is a most accurate definition of the difference between the rich and the poor.


It's a gift....I actually don't know where it comes from myself.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 5:28:44 PM   
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One thing that's always baffled me about the issue of urban poverty is that it usually tends to focus on the larger, "major league" cities, such as Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc., while failing to take into consideration that most poverty is in rural areas and the smaller "minor league" cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States




Compared to smaller cities and rural areas, the large cities have rather high rents and living expenses. The people who live in those cities have to have higher wages in order to live. Workers in NYC will typically earn higher wages than their counterparts in places like Texas or South Dakota.

As far as bringing jobs and economic opportunities to both cities and rural areas, that would involve challenging certain "Sacred Cows" held by the economic intelligentsia in this country. That's where the problems come into play, since these cities didn't fall apart overnight. It took decades of neglect, compounded by misguided economic, domestic, and foreign policies, and all levels of government should take the blame, not just local government (although there are some local governments which are pretty sleazy, like that of Bell, California). I don't know how widespread such wanton corruption and theft is going on in the local governments, but there have been a few cases here - where millions of dollars (even hundreds of millions) turns up missing and nobody knows where it went. I've heard of other mayors and local officials in other cities get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and it stinks all the way around.

Perhaps these cities themselves are also becoming "Sacred Cows." I've never actually lived in some of these larger cities back east, so it's hard for me to identify with those who have a certain sentimental attachment to "back home," whether it's Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, etc. People really love their cities, so there seems to an intangible sentimental factor that may exist beyond just economics or politics. Some of our cities are dying, yet there are still those who want to maintain the local charm, culture, history, traditions and keep their cities and neighborhoods as they've always remembered them.

I get that impression whenever I read stories of urban decline, since they're usually accompanied by stories of the "good old days" when their cities were a vibrant center of industry, business, culture, arts, sports. (Cities and their sports teams might be a separate topic altogether.)

As for jobs, they have to compete with other cities all over the country. Offer incentives for companies to move to their city. Some cities employ economic councils, advisors, and salesmen to go out and sell their city as an attractive place for a company to move to and bring high paying jobs. Cities have to make investments in education and infrastructure (which is difficult in cities where the local bureaucrats and politicians funnel a lot of that money into their own pockets).

Maybe they ought to impose stronger penalties on corrupt politicians and bureaucrats caught looting the public treasury. Some of this stuff really stinks. Even here locally, there's this project where $230 million ended up missing. The streets are falling apart, the city is strapped for cash, and many of the schools are underperforming (while there are administrators at the district office pulling in six-figure salaries).




Smaller league cities by numbers, major league cities by %

Major leaguers are typically union towns.

(It's fairly easy math once you run the numbers).

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 5:34:12 PM   
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Welfare causes enduring poverty.

Welfare is, what, maybe 200 years old?

Poverty is as old as time.


Yeah but, a good cigar is still pushing 20 bucks.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 5:57:32 PM   
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Welfare causes enduring poverty. A Harrisburg paper did an investigation of the Pa welfare department. A single mother with 2 kids, if she applied for all she is entitled to under the current rules, would have to make $80,000 in the private sector to equal what she gets from welfare. There is housing, food benefits, healthcare benefits, some kind of childcare if she gets a job and still qualifies for benefits, preschool benefits for young children, etc. etc. This story was reported on the Harrisburg TV stations and on the national services.

It is also intereresting, I think 3 high level Pa. Welfare Department officials recently resigned. You might have seen the story about Pa welfare access cards have been used in all 50 states, the Virgin islands, strip clubs, casinos, and luxury hotels. I saw a similar story about The California Welfare Dept. The Harrisburg paper requested a list of where the access cards were used, (not peoples names) but the Pa Dept of Welfare refused the request.


Oh I agree. Without welfare they'd just starve and then they wouldn't be poor...they'd be dead.

No, those cards are NOT used in all 50 states and in fact only in the state of issue. Also they are NOT used in casinos, strip clubs and luxury hotels. That is all propaganda to reduce such programs and outright lies.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 5:58:56 PM   
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Poverty is as old as time.



Pithy and perfectly stated, DC.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 6:11:17 PM   
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No, those cards are NOT used in all 50 states and in fact only in your state issue. Also they are NOT used in casinos, strip clubs and luxury hotels. That is all propaganda to reduce such programs and outright lies.



Dead wrong, MrRodgers. Rules may vary from state to state, but EBT cards from California (where 1/3 of the national welfare caseload resides) are commonly used across the US. Your claim of propaganda about them being used in luxury resorts, strip clubs and casinos is a complete lie. It happens all the time. You can add illegal computer/internet gambling operations to that as well. Four such establishments were recently raided here in my neck of the woods, and EBT cards had been used in them.

That said, in the most egregious cases, it will frequently turn out that the cards used on a Hawaiian resort island, and cruise ships, are those belonging to the category known as non-needy participants. Foster parents make up the bulk of these, and the funds they receive to aid in the care of those children are delivered, at least in part, by EBT card. It actually makes good sense to do it that way, but rarely gets a mention in the news stories.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 6:27:12 PM   
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Jobs are needed. Not talk. Economic revitalization of our cities has to be a national priority.

That is why the proposal for an interracial dialogue is not a solution. Especially since it stems from the perceived need to salve the fears of whites who were left behind on the fringes of black neighborhoods. Talk is bullshit. Useless. We have a monumental economic catastrophe on our hands. Our cities never recovered from the post War social change.

I don't know whatever happened to Jack Kemp's Enterprise Zones but probably the only solution is some kind of Government/Industry partnership to bring jobs back to the cities beginning with assembly work that can be done by high school drop outs and single mothers. And we may need police and fire protection in the beginning. Also government subsidized property insurance for businesses in blighted areas. Maybe combining the schools with new industries. Otherwise, I do not have a solution either.

But, until the cities are revitalized economically interracial discourse is a waste of time because the unemployed do not trust the threatened and the threatened do not trust the unemployed. America cannot continue as a nation divided city from suburbs, blacks from whites. It is a national disgrace and disaster.


Jobs, jobs, jobs.................... we used to have plenty of jobs.
I mean you just have to LOVE Capitalism, RIGHT?

I agree it is a national disagrace and a disaster.

Thanks for all the great points and posts you are making Vincent.

Peace


Of course, of course but it isn't ever going to happen. Our whole political economic culture will make absolutely sure it will not happen. America is about where is the money.

Just look at the corporate and capitalist culture. This is investment society's culture...a way of thinking and a tremendous sense of entitlement among the capitalist corporatist and banker. Just look at their continuing behavior all over western society always putting the country's economic well being at risk.

This thinking is the American way of thinking. Truly look at the differences the actions and the behavior as say compared to Germany or Canada. They do not believe that society exists to serve these institutions...America does. Society is NOT served by the corporation, banks or wall street while they continue to fuck society in the ass.

Our economic system and its lack of any real distribution of wealth is a disaster almost all of which was predicted all throughout the 18th & 19th century starting with our founding fathers.

That 47% that Romney complained about will in time be 57% then 67% and so on if we just keep going the way we are...and we are.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 6:43:29 PM   
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No, those cards are NOT used in all 50 states and in fact only in your state issue. Also they are NOT used in casinos, strip clubs and luxury hotels. That is all propaganda to reduce such programs and outright lies.



Dead wrong, MrRodgers. Rules may vary from state to state, but EBT cards from California (where 1/3 of the national welfare caseload resides) are commonly used across the US. Your claim of propaganda about them being used in luxury resorts, strip clubs and casinos is a complete lie. It happens all the time. You can add illegal computer/internet gambling operations to that as well. Four such establishments were recently raided here in my neck of the woods, and EBT cards had been used in them.

That said, in the most egregious cases, it will frequently turn out that the cards used on a Hawaiian resort island, and cruise ships, are those belonging to the category known as non-needy participants. Foster parents make up the bulk of these, and the funds they receive to aid in the care of those children are delivered, at least in part, by EBT card. It actually makes good sense to do it that way, but rarely gets a mention in the news stories.

Foster care is NOT welfare and I was not talking about those programs. What I do know is that cards eligible for the poor (welfare) are only good for certain life sustaining goods and services, food and baby care. The rest is corrupt and as far as I am concerned as what you speak of is money that the profiteer lobbied for in these programs to supply them a profit.

Similar to the Medicare drug program forced to be at retail prices as a windfall to the drug companies. Same with Obama care which will be a windfall to insurance cos. and if not checked...service providers. All Obama care does is mandate those uninsured...to be insured at a cost of trillions, either by the patient or the govt. and the capitalist doesn't care which.

You can use your EBT card at any store or ATM that displays the Quest® mark throughout California and across the country.

For information regarding surcharge-free ATM locations, click here.

The California Restaurant Meals Program is only available in certain counties for cardholders registered in that program.

The locations where you can use your EBT card to withdraw cash may have changed. Please check the list of locations on this website to see where you can withdraw cash benefits in your area. You can no longer get your cash benefits at ATMs and point of sale devices in liquor stores that don't accept your CalFresh benefits. You also can't get your cash benefits at casinos, poker rooms, card rooms, adult entertainment businesses, bail bonds, night clubs/saloons/taverns, bingo halls, race tracks, gun/ammunition stores, cruise ships, psychic readers, smoking shops, cannabis shops, tattoo/piercing shops, and spa/massage salons.


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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 8:03:49 PM   
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Foster care is NOT welfare and I was not talking about those programs. What I do know is that cards eligible for the poor (welfare) are only good for certain life sustaining goods and services, food and baby care.



Then what you "know," MrRodgers, is wrong. Bullshit, wrong. Foster care benefits are delivered using the exact same cards as TANF and SNAP, and they are applied to the cards through the same agencies. You may be confusing some of these programs with WIC, which delivers extremely limited benefits that can only be used for certain things, by voucher. Subsidized housing comes through different agencies, and so does the school breakfast/lunch/sometimes dinner program. Leaving these benefits out of the tally on what welfare recipients receive is completely deceptive (that last is a general reply - not specifically MrRodgers).

The bit you snipped from some county's website reflects changes brought in in the last couple years, in a reaction to the scandal of EBT cards being used in exactly the same places you denied happened. The owners of the newly banned establishments, and the privately operated ATMs that serve them found ways around those restrictions very quickly. Casino's just moved the machines to another area. Liquor stores in California, except a warehouse operation like BevMo, typically carry the merchandise of any old convenience store. The one closest to my home even has a little sign that they take WIC vouchers for milk and fruit juice.

You might also note that your own (unsourced) snip clearly states that cards can be used nationwide, which you earlier included in your list of "propaganda."

Please don't take the strawman approach, and claim that because I think these programs could work much better than they do, and be modified to do less damage to society and the recipients, that I simply think poor people should starve in the streets. I doubt you'll be able to help yourself though.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 8:22:51 PM   
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Of course, of course but it isn't ever going to happen. Our whole political economic culture will make absolutely sure it will not happen. America is about where is the money.
Also, and where the money is not!!

Just look at the corporate and capitalist culture. This is investment society's culture...a way of thinking and a tremendous sense of entitlement among the capitalist corporatist and banker. Just look at their continuing behavior all over western society always putting the country's economic well being at risk.

This thinking is the American way of thinking. Truly look at the differences the actions and the behavior as say compared to Germany or Canada. They do not believe that society exists to serve these institutions...America does. Society is NOT served by the corporation, banks or wall street while they continue to fuck society in the ass.


Our economic system and its lack of any real distribution of wealth is a disaster almost all of which was predicted all throughout the 18th & 19th century starting with our founding fathers.

That 47% that Romney complained about will in time be 57% then 67% and so on if we just keep going the way we are...and we are.




As many in the Middle Class slip into the Lower Class or worse, as the next generation is doing much worse than the prior generation {overall}, yeah you could say the proverbial ship is sinking.

I look at my grandparents {on both sides}and their generation, they were able to purchase homes with "very modest" paying blue collar jobs.
I am talking about Black people with very modest jobs and a high school education.
Many college graduates can't afford to buy a home.
Hell, many college graduates are moving back home to live with mummy and daddy.
CNN - Decline of the Middle Class is NOT President Obama's fault

This is a link to a short interesting article explaining the Middle Class has been in decline for 40 years.

Peace

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 9:21:37 PM   
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Foster care is NOT welfare and I was not talking about those programs. What I do know is that cards eligible for the poor (welfare) are only good for certain life sustaining goods and services, food and baby care.



Then what you "know," MrRodgers, is wrong. Bullshit, wrong. Foster care benefits are delivered using the exact same cards as TANF and SNAP, and they are applied to the cards through the same agencies. You may be confusing some of these programs with WIC, which delivers extremely limited benefits that can only be used for certain things, by voucher. Subsidized housing comes through different agencies, and so does the school breakfast/lunch/sometimes dinner program. Leaving these benefits out of the tally on what welfare recipients receive is completely deceptive (that last is a general reply - not specifically MrRodgers).

The bit you snipped from some county's website reflects changes brought in in the last couple years, in a reaction to the scandal of EBT cards being used in exactly the same places you denied happened. The owners of the newly banned establishments, and the privately operated ATMs that serve them found ways around those restrictions very quickly. Casino's just moved the machines to another area. Liquor stores in California, except a warehouse operation like BevMo, typically carry the merchandise of any old convenience store. The one closest to my home even has a little sign that they take WIC vouchers for milk and fruit juice.

You might also note that your own (unsourced) snip clearly states that cards can be used nationwide, which you earlier included in your list of "propaganda."

Please don't take the strawman approach, and claim that because I think these programs could work much better than they do, and be modified to do less damage to society and the recipients, that I simply think poor people should starve in the streets. I doubt you'll be able to help yourself though.

What you describe is the American culture...the capitalist found a way around the restrictions and yes one must be diligent in keeping up with those clever little suckers moving casinos liquor stores and the lot and their influence I guess in keeping the down trodden, trodden upon. My denials were of a present tense and what you describe has no bearing on the cause of urban poverty.

I am wrong yes because it is tough keeping up with capitalist scum in America. I am sure all of those poor people will heavily lobby the govt. and get their way.

The propaganda you fall for is that all of this is the doing of the poor and that's why they are poor when it is clearly those who profit from all of this that engineer the corruption. I mean isn't that the reason for nationwide use of California cards ? While I concede that may be the case, I wonder...is that the cause of urban poverty ?

Next coming soon to your neighborhood, International use of Cal. EBT cards. Next thing we'll read is that they can be used for Mexican whores. You know those clever poor people...they need their Spanish ass.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 9:25:48 PM   
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Next coming soon to your neighborhood, International use of Cal. EBT cards. Next thing we'll read is that they can be used for Mexican whores. You know those clever poor people...they need their Spanish ass.


ay, caramba!
I have developed a fondness for good tequila, will you be able to use the EBT cards for top shelf tequila and Mexican whores?

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 10:21:21 PM   
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So, getting back to the poll, I'm a little surprised that no one selected karma. That is going to be your biggest way to enter poverty. You are born into it, or shit happens. I tried to make the poll options very broad, basically covering, "someone did it to them - they did it to themselves - it just happened." Nobody at all, for "just happened?"

My selection, was "all of the above," because I think social structures can trap people there, and that how people choose to live their lives is directly related to the sorts of lives they wind up living, but fate/karma/bad luck is a major player in the three.



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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/26/2013 10:49:35 PM   
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Next thing we'll read is that they can be used for Mexican whores.



Chinese is a lot more common, MrRodgers. You'll note from your mystery snip that massage parlors are on the new no-no list. Of course, the liquor store next door now has a Quest ATM, so the happy endings roll on.

Sorry you don't like capitalism. Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. I also think communism is a delusion of fools, and that socialism is culturally incompatible with the United States as it exists, and a road of good intentions which leads easily to hell. To make the prospects of worthwhile conversation worse, I have a pretty low tolerance level for keepers of obscure knowledge.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 7:13:35 PM   
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Sorry you don't like capitalism. Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. I also think communism is a delusion of fools, and that socialism is culturally incompatible with the United States as it exists, and a road of good intentions which leads easily to hell. To make the prospects of worthwhile conversation worse, I have a pretty low tolerance level for keepers of obscure knowledge.

Have a nice night.


It's nice to be tolerant of opposing points of view, Rich.

I personally don't hate Capitalism at all.
Capitalism was great in America for years.
Think 40s, 50s, 60s, and most of the 70s.

But unbridled outsourcing, combined with anything for a dollar greedy soulless corporate bastards, along with many other moves that were NOT in the best interest of this country, led us to the sad fucking state of affairs we are in NOW.
Most of the jobs being created these days pay minimum fucking wage.
NOTHING has replaced the millions of good paying blue collar and white collar jobs that have been outsourced all over the world.
Detroit NEVER fucking recovered, and many other cities are dropping like flies.

Why don't you start a thread on how we can replace the millions of GOOD paying jobs we lost?
We sat back and allowed this shit to happen, and this country is going to pay the damn price.

We have far bigger fish to fry and , then worrying about the mis-use of EBT cards, you can bet your ass on that.
We are on the cusp/ and the verge of changing paradigms that could/will change the future and course of America forever.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 7:45:56 PM   
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Sorry you don't like capitalism. Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. I also think communism is a delusion of fools, and that socialism is culturally incompatible with the United States as it exists, and a road of good intentions which leads easily to hell. To make the prospects of worthwhile conversation worse, I have a pretty low tolerance level for keepers of obscure knowledge.
Have a nice night.

It's nice to be tolerant of opposing points of view, Rich.

I personally don't hate Capitalism at all.
Capitalism was great in America for years.
Think 40s, 50s, 60s, and most of the 70s.
But unbridled outsourcing, combined with anything for a dollar greedy soulless corporate bastards, along with many other moves that were NOT in the best interest of this country, led us to the sad fucking state of affairs we are in NOW.
Most of the jobs being created these days pay minimum fucking wage.
NOTHING has replaced the millions of good paying blue collar and white collar jobs that have been outsourced all over the world.
Detroit NEVER fucking recovered, and many other cities are dropping like flies.
Why don't you start a thread on how we can replace the millions of GOOD paying jobs we lost?
We sat back and allowed this shit to happen, and this country is going to pay the damn price.
We have far bigger fish to fry and , then worrying about the mis-use of EBT cards, you can bet your ass on that.
We are on the cusp/ and the verge of changing paradigms that could/will change the future and course of America forever.


Now now, Marini. According to the BLS, the number of minimum wage jobs is dropping.
    quote:

    The number of people working jobs that paid the federal minimum wage dropped last year, according to new labor statistics published Wednesday.
    An estimated 3.6 million people were paid hourly rates at or below the federal minimum in 2012, down from 3.8 million a year earlier.
    Just under 60% of all U.S. workers are paid hourly, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. An estimated 4.7% of those hourly workers make minimum wage or less, down from 5.2%, a year earlier. That share is the lowest since 2008.
[emphasis mine]

So much for "the only jobs being created are minimum wage jobs" meme.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 7:47:15 PM   
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Next thing we'll read is that they can be used for Mexican whores.

Chinese is a lot more common, MrRodgers. You'll note from your mystery snip that massage parlors are on the new no-no list. Of course, the liquor store next door now has a Quest ATM, so the happy endings roll on.

Sorry you don't like capitalism. Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. I also think communism is a delusion of fools, and that socialism is culturally incompatible with the United States as it exists, and a road of good intentions which leads easily to hell. To make the prospects of worthwhile conversation worse, I have a pretty low tolerance level for keepers of obscure knowledge.

Have a nice night.

You just don't get it do you ? Are you in love with the word ?

I just much prefer free enterprise in a free market which is really the antithesis of capitalism. The last thing a capitalist wants...is a free market. He loves us taxpayers taking all of the risk while he makes the money. (is it $600 trillion or $1 quadrillion at risk ON PAPER as we speak ?) You making any money on that ? You are taking the risk if it blows up and if it does...we are all truly fucked.

Capitalism IS too big to fail, Capitalism IS turning paper into money...your money. Capitalism IS phony mortgage backed securities while a security is just another piece of paper. Capitalism IS the capitalist gambling, taking the winnings and making the money while the taxpayers take the risk.

Capitalism is socialism for the rich, the real rough & tumble of the marketplace...for the poor.

Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. ...which IS NOT capitalism or the banks and wall street would have vanished long ago and the principals tarred, feathered and sent home bankrupt if not in jail.

So called free market capitalism doesn't exist, has never existed and is THE oxymoron of the 20th and 21ST century.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 7:59:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
You just don't get it do you ? Are you in love with the word ?
I just much prefer free enterprise in a free market which is really the antithesis of capitalism. The last thing a capitalist wants...is a free market. He loves us taxpayers taking all of the risk while he makes the money. (is it $600 trillion or $1 quadrillion at risk ON PAPER as we speak ?) You making any money on that ? You are taking the risk if it blows up and if it does...we are all truly fucked.
Capitalism IS too big to fail, Capitalism IS turning paper into money...your money. Capitalism IS phony mortgage backed securities while a security is just another piece of paper. Capitalism IS the capitalist gambling, taking the winnings and making the money while the taxpayers take the risk.


Wrong, wrong wrong!

quote:

Capitalism is socialism for the rich, the real rough & tumble of the marketplace...for the poor.
Personally, I'm a fan of an appropriately and effectively regulated free market. ...which IS NOT capitalism or the banks and wall street would have vanished long ago and the principals tarred, feathered and sent home bankrupt if not in jail.
So called free market capitalism doesn't exist, has never existed and is THE oxymoron of the 20th and 21ST century.


The two most important things in a properly functioning Capitalist Market are profits and losses. Without out both, it's not a properly functioning Capitalist Market (PFCM for short because I don't want to keep typing it). It's some bastardized version.
In a PFCM, profits tell business what the consumers want. Losses tell business what the consumers don't want. At least at the price point it's offered. Lower the price, consumers want more. Raise the price, consumers want less. If you can't produce a good at a price point the consumer is willing to pay and still sell enough to make ends meet, you need to change your business. You don't go get a fucking bailout. You have to change your business plan.

Know why we don't rely on horse and carriage anymore? We prefer automobiles. If the PFCM would have shown that consumers wanted to keep the horse and carriage as the primary mode of transportation, we'd still be tooling around in horse and carriage. But, we didn't want that. We wanted motor vehicles. And, not surprisingly, we got them, and still have them. When the oft-times fickle tastes of the American consumer decided that smaller, more efficient vehicles were all the rage, those who were supplying vehicles to meet that demand, sold lots of those vehicles while the companies that weren't supplying those types of vehicles were seeing their sales drop.

It'll work, if it's allowed to.

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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 8:10:42 PM   
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Many/most of the new jobs being created are low paying, even if they are slightly above minimum wage.

I am not going to post the thousands of links, you are bright enough to find them yourself.

Here are a couple of links just for kicks {FROM CREDIBLE SOURCES}:

Money.cnn.com The low wage job EXPLOSION

Money.cnn-- America's FASTEST growing job pays poorly!

Washington Post- How the recession turned middle class jobs into low paying jobs

CBS.com-- Most new jobs offer low wages

Believe what you want to believe.
I am not going to argue with you.
Keep those rose colored glasses on, I don't blame you.


Peace

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/27/2013 8:16:12 PM >


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RE: What causes urban poverty - 3/27/2013 8:58:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
You just don't get it do you ?




I got it a long time ago, MrRodgers, and far more clearly than you, judging by the gibberish you fell back on.



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