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In Florida some anti-self-defense groups say that our Stand Your Ground law is killing people. What they rarely state is that the killings are justified. Even rarer that those killed have some long rap sheets.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down

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Firearm-related violent crimes in Florida have dropped by one-third in just four years, 2007 to 2011, while concealed carry permits jumped by 90 percent in that period. Further, violent crime of any kind dropped almost as much, 26 percent.

That means that, following Lott’s rigorous refutation of those inflated statistics, just five out of more than half a million permit holders were involved in a criminal case in that three-year period.

That latest information from Florida just confirms what Lott had discovered years ago: Carrying reduces crime. Wrote Lott: "Armageddon never happened … in state after state when right-to-carry laws have been adopted, the entire debate quickly becomes a non-issue within a year."

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In Florida some anti-self-defense groups say that our Stand Your Ground law is killing people. What they rarely state is that the killings are justified. Even rarer that those killed have some long rap sheets. Yes unfortunately there is the controversy of Travon Martin but maybe that should serve as a lesson to those who engage in fisticuffs, if you climb on top of somebody and proceed to beat them in public outside a refereed fighting ring, there's a good chance in Florida that they are carrying a gun and you will get shot so if you get the advantage in a fight and your opponent goes down, walk the hell away and call the cops, don't play ghetto shit or you risk getting shot.

So after much cries of blood in the street by liberals and RINOs, Florida has gotten safer. I have family in Miami who say that even though Miami is still somewhat dangerous, it is still far safer today than it was twenty years ago. Why? I think because criminals are starting to get hip to the fact that Florida will stand behind its citizens when they are forced to kill criminals in self-defense. Unfortunately for criminals, because of the reality of our legal system, you are better off killing a criminal and eliminating the sole witness (the criminal) in most self-defense situations then letting them live, now there is a move to expand Stand Your Ground to include brandishing and warning shots, or stating you have a gun. I don't like the idea of brandishing or warning shots, but being able to legally announce you are armed and feeling endangered to give a would-be criminal a chance to walk away is a good idea. If the criminal knowing you have a gun proceeds to attack you it just means they wanted to commit suicide and their death is not on your hands and you have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about. If you look at prisons with all the rape, suicide, and murder; these criminals know what they are getting into, they just want it real bad, so if you provide them with their deaths just remember it's what they desired.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down

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Firearm-related violent crimes in Florida have dropped by one-third in just four years, 2007 to 2011, while concealed carry permits jumped by 90 percent in that period. Further, violent crime of any kind dropped almost as much, 26 percent.

That means that, following Lott’s rigorous refutation of those inflated statistics, just five out of more than half a million permit holders were involved in a criminal case in that three-year period.

That latest information from Florida just confirms what Lott had discovered years ago: Carrying reduces crime. Wrote Lott: "Armageddon never happened … in state after state when right-to-carry laws have been adopted, the entire debate quickly becomes a non-issue within a year."

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In Florida some anti-self-defense groups say that our Stand Your Ground law is killing people. What they rarely state is that the killings are justified. Even rarer that those killed have some long rap sheets. Yes unfortunately there is the controversy of Travon Martin but maybe that should serve as a lesson to those who engage in fisticuffs, if you climb on top of somebody and proceed to beat them in public outside a refereed fighting ring, there's a good chance in Florida that they are carrying a gun and you will get shot so if you get the advantage in a fight and your opponent goes down, walk the hell away and call the cops, don't play ghetto shit or you risk getting shot.

So after much cries of blood in the street by liberals and RINOs, Florida has gotten safer. I have family in Miami who say that even though Miami is still somewhat dangerous, it is still far safer today than it was twenty years ago. Why? I think because criminals are starting to get hip to the fact that Florida will stand behind its citizens when they are forced to kill criminals in self-defense. Unfortunately for criminals, because of the reality of our legal system, you are better off killing a criminal and eliminating the sole witness (the criminal) in most self-defense situations then letting them live, now there is a move to expand Stand Your Ground to include brandishing and warning shots, or stating you have a gun. I don't like the idea of brandishing or warning shots, but being able to legally announce you are armed and feeling endangered to give a would-be criminal a chance to walk away is a good idea. If the criminal knowing you have a gun proceeds to attack you it just means they wanted to commit suicide and their death is not on your hands and you have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about. If you look at prisons with all the rape, suicide, and murder; these criminals know what they are getting into, they just want it real bad, so if you provide them with their deaths just remember it's what they desired.

Ahhh....more NRA cherry picked stats......


You do understand,that we`re a bit more sophisticated(most of us) than to believe anything printed in NRA rag......or a NRA website?


As well,anything from bratfart,the American Spectator,fux-news,WND,Atlas Shrugged,etc....just to save you some time.....

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So after much cries of blood in the street by liberals and RINOs, Florida has gotten safer.

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If you look at prisons with all the rape, suicide, and murder; these criminals know what they are getting into

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You do understand,that we`re a bit more sophisticated(most of us) than to believe anything printed in NRA rag......

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In Florida you can have a loaded handgun in your vehicle, with or without a permit. It must be holstered with a snap or velcro and in a glove box, bin or container.

Even if it is pink?

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

The NRA rag has it's agenda, which is no secret, but awhile back a survey was taken (TOTALLY independent of the gun ban controversies) of congressional staffers as to the credibility of the lobbyists they dealt with and the organizations ranked. The national Library association was the most trusted for their data and presentations (Duh!), NRA came second. Handgun Control was last? Everyone spins, some spin into other universes.
If you 'know' someone is lying before you even hear their presentation, it's hard to sift the gems from the slop. Even Republicans and Democrats tell the truth now and then, mostly by accident.
The FL crime statistics carry a bit less weight when compared to all the other states whose crime rates have dropped. Only in newspaper head lines has America become a truely frightening place. Everywhere else things are calming down. And have been since the Depression (if we ignore the War on Drugs which has been spectacularly more of a cluster fuck than Prohibition). Maybe not in urban ghetto Chicago. . .

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Violent rimes is down in all states.....not just the ones with liberal gun rules......The rush to self-congratulate reveals a defensiveness....a rush to judgment.



Do the gun-rag`s consideration of Florida`s "crime figures" take into account crimes like the one George Zimmerman committed....the crimes that CC caused or contributed to?

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In Florida you can have a loaded handgun in your vehicle, with or without a permit. It must be holstered with a snap or velcro and in a glove box, bin or container.

Even if it is pink?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Violent rimes is down in all states.....

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