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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 3:09:54 PM

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I'm glad you made that decision. I wouldn't have touched his idea with a ten foot pole.

Your responsibility is to pay rent. Period. His problems are his own.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 4:17:41 PM

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Ok, the bank closed his account because there was no money in it, not the DOR. It's great to be friendly with your landlord, I'm friendly with mine (although he lives in Florida, which makes it easy, lol). But paying his bills is not a good idea. Sure you keep documentation of paying his bills and everything, but you shouldn't have that hassle. If you were paying him by check, that would be your rent receipt. He has no bank account (although I bet he has one in someone else's name), so pay him in cash and let him write you a receipt. Using a formal receipt book is nice, but not necessary. You could even print up receipts, indicating both names, amount, and for what month's rent. Much easier than the spreadsheet thing.

As for him asking you to use part of your rent to pay his child support, the DOR having attached his account, blah blah blah. Not to be mean or anything, but the guy was ordered to pay child support and didn't. I don't care how nice he may seem, he is considered a deadbeat dad and rightfully so.

All of these things are his problems to sort out, not yours. Pay him cash and let him figure out how he wants to spend it.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 4:56:40 PM

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Please keep in mind that I deal with California's Child Support Division, so their rules may vary.

Someone can walk in with a payment, mail a money order, or use a debit/credit card.
You can have someone "make" a payment for you and it not attach them to your case they simply need your case ID number.

However, the truth of the matter is he is using you to cheat the system already They have alerts out so that anytime he opens a bank account they snag that money and they have alerts for wages he makes (my daughter's father has the same alerts). So instead of you paying him rent and him depositing it he is having you pay his bills. That is still income that they have a RIGHT to count against him and RIGHT to have access to.

I also know that the states I have lived in Arkansa, California, Vegas, and Maryland that what you have for "proof of rent" would not hold up in rent court. It can turn into a he said she said. If you are keeping a ledger with what you pay, from now on have him sign it at the very least if not give you an actual receipt or put an agreement in writing that you are paying these bills for him to cover rent.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 6:36:20 PM

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My landlord is my friend. He's lost his bank accounts for non-payment of child support. Instead of giving him a rent check, I pay his bills. He's entering into a payment plan with the state to pay child support and wants me to send the checks to the state. I have concerns about attaching my name to his payment (and theoretically to his messy divorce, etc).

I suggested that he use his Bluebird AMEX but 1. he does not want his name associated with the payment (not sure why) and 2. the state only takes MasterCard and Discover.

I then suggested he get a secured MasterCard such as https://www.billshrink.com/credit-cards/cards/hsbc-secured-mastercard_97/ or http://www.capitalone.com/credit-cards/secured-mastercard/

I have a bad feeling about attaching my name to this mess but don't know how it could cause issues. Thoughts?

One word (as a Landlord):

Don't.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:30:54 PM

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If he insists that you "make his child support payment", then I would suggest that you purchase a Green Dot MasterCard or Visa Card each month to cover your rent (they're about $5) and give it to him. He can then use that card to make his own payments. The card is prepaid and nobody's name is on it.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:32:29 PM

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If he "insisted" she make his child support payment in lieu of rent, I would move. And I would be damned if I would spend my money on a green dot card for his convenience. If I did, I would deduct the five bucks from the rent.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:33:08 PM

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If it was me, I'd say HELLLLLLLLL NOOOOO. And I sure as hell wouldn't be paying his bills. I like my landlord too but damn....I'm not HIS slave.

Tell your landlord to pay his responsibility toward his children himself.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for him.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:41:00 PM

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Don't attach your name. It just sounds like too much risk for you. This is his life and his mess, not yours. You can be a friend, but you can't go down with his ship.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:51:09 PM

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He doesn't insist on anything. He asks about this and that, and I often say no. This didn't sound like a good idea, so I was getting a reality check. I'd prefer to say "No, because..." but "No" suffices as well.

I will let him know about Green Dot (which he can buy.)

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 7:59:54 PM

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I think you paying his bills as rent is too much of a risk to me. I think you should just pay him rent...period. I understand being his friend and all but I wouldn't even do that for a friend. I'd find a friend asking me such to be extremely sketchy and really make me question them and what is going on in their life and what they are trying to hide or run away from.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/25/2013 11:05:50 PM

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This is unreported income. You are aiding and abetting tax evasion. Felony count.

But forget that, for the moment: this is money that supposed to be going to the man's child. In a convoluted way, you are taking bread from the child's mouth (or at least helping it from getting there).

My recommendation, having been both a tenant and a landlord, but never a man legally and morally responsible for the upbringing of a child: desist.

And possibly reconsider your criteria for friendship. A friend who would make you a felon and party to child neglect ain't a friend.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 3:06:36 AM

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To the OP........You have made the right choice by staying out of it. I think several posters haven't read through all of this mess and are offering good advice which you've already taken.

Be a friend and do pay your rent, but do it in an appropriate manner which you have said that you are.

Unfortunately, you might want to start thinking about a new place to live as it sounds like your friend is headed into a deep legal hole.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 4:15:16 AM

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 3:14:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Muttling

To the OP........You have made the right choice by staying out of it.

IMO, she didn't / isn't staying out of it. She has already been helping her "friend" and "landlord" get around reporting the rent she pays him to the child support division. What she is doing is no different than someone paying an employee cash under the table so the child support division doesn't garnish their wages.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 3:31:35 PM

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Allow me to clarify. Again, he doesn't have a checking account. However, he does report rental income - I saw this in the form he submitted for court last month.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 5:34:28 PM

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So he reports it as income, but since you use it to pay his bills for him, rather than handing him cash, the courts can now ask where that rent goes, since he obviously isn't using it to get caught up on child support.

Don't you feel the least bit remorseful that you are assisting a deadbeat dad to be that way? And before you offer any excuses for him, I was in that business for a long time, I have heard them all, and none of them are valid. He has not paid his child support and now is using you as a means to keep from paying it. Oh, sure, he will say that he needs a roof over his head, electric, food, etc. But you know what? So does his child. And contrary to every non or partial custodial parent (typically fathers), these children aren't living with monsters with the court favoring them because they are women.

Sorry, but for someone who typically has a very strong moral code, you seem to have selectively missed this one.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 5:38:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Allow me to clarify. Again, he doesn't have a checking account. However, he does report rental income - I saw this in the form he submitted for court last month.

So IF he is reporting the income to the child support division why don't you simply pay him rent instead of paying his bills. You don't have to have a checking account to pay your bills.

Btw... even if he is reporting the rental income it's not like they can garnish it if you are simply paying his bills to cover rent. So IMO that is still an end run around the system.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 5:39:31 PM

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He sounds like he is finding excuses not to do anything to resolve his problems.
i.e. getting a prepaid Master Card from Wal-Mart and refilling with cash from your rent payments.

Get receipts for any payments so he can't claim you never paid him.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 7:25:43 PM

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I have a feeling he's not going to have this rental for much longer. If I were you I'd be extremely concerned about having a home to live in. That would make me way nervous.

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RE: Should I get involved in this child support payment... - 3/26/2013 7:37:19 PM

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Yes, I predict the house will go into foreclosure soon, so I'm not planting asparagus or getting a pet. But from what I've seen from observing in court, the foreclosure process can take years.

Moving sucks, but I've done a lot of it since my (now ex) husband and I separated in 2001, and I'd like to get a closer to my Mom anyway.

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