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If we didn't allow people to own weapons that can pump out hundreds of rounds a minute with large capacity magazines
Actually, we don't. The AR-15 can only shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. It is a semi-automatic rifle. That means the trigger must be pulled each and every time that a bullet is fired.
Fully automatic weapons are illegal for the vast majority of citizens.
Semi automatics can fire in that range as well, you can pull the trigger on a semi automatic like an AR15 at 2/second pretty easily, which is 120 rounds/minute or more. Put it this way, take your trigger finger and see how fast you can make the motion of squeezing off a round, and you will see how fast it can shoot.
You don't do a lot of shooting do you. Shooting that fast you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
First you assume far too much reloading time for a shotgun now you assume no reloading time for an AR
That is the point of rapid fire, you don't need to take precise aim. No, if I was shooting a target at 100 yards or 200 yards you couldn't do that..but think about the guy in Colorado, he wasn't targeting people, he just keep shooting, you don't need to be particularly accurate if you are shooting people 10 feet away. As far as reloading goes, the magazine in an AR15 can be replaced pretty quickly; and if you have a high capacity magazine, you don't have to replace it all that often either. The ones Lanza had were 30 shots, and he pumped out 156 rounds in less then 10 minutes (I have heard 5-7 minutes). You probably can't get off 120 in a minute if you had to change the magazine multiple times, but with training you can change a magazine fast, it is one of the selling points for them.A friend of mine, who is a gun owner (he wouldn't bother with an AR15, considers fodder for guys who never got out of puberty), said the real answer is limiting the firing rate on the weapons, and also by law making it difficult to reload them fast. If the gun lanza had didn't have a large capacity magazine and it took let's say 30 seconds or a minute to switch it, it is likely he would have only gotten very few victims and someone could have stopped him. There is a reason he never used the handguns in the attack, he didn't have to, one weapon allowed him to kill 26 people in somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes.
I can only imagine what is next with the NRA, getting the bans of fully automatic weapons removed? My point is for legitimate uses of guns, what is out there quite frankly is overkill, you don't need a 30 round magazine to go hunting (though personally why someone would use an AR15 I don't know, it isn't particularly accurate from what hunting friends of mine say), and a lot of it is just personal ego IMO. There has to be a balance between rights and the rights of the rest of society to be safe, and no right in the constitution is absolute, never was, never will be.
The shotgun could have killed as many in the same time. Even the double barrel can be reloaded in well under a minute. The AR, which I have no interest in owning is a good home defense weapon for people who can't handle a shotgun, Biden to the contrary a shotgun has somwthing on the order of five times the recoil of an AR.
As several people have pointed out when a pack of 20 cyotyes or wolves are surrounding you 30 rounds ins't that many.
Holmess AR jamed he did most of the damage with a 12 ga.
I have been shooting for 54 years so your not going to tell me anything I don't already know about shooting.
Even in close shooting that fast is just a waste of ammo sure you will get the rounds off but you will often get multiple shots into the same target and when you miss once you miss 2-3 times.
Do not forget that with 00buck you fire 0 .32 pellets every time you pull the trigger. lanza hit 6 rooms with the shotgun you fire 4 reload while walking to the next room repeat till you reach the 6th room.
You have now fired 216 32caliber rounds and your gun has never had less than 2 rounds (18 32 caliber pelletts ) in it
Simular body count more .32s than the AR sent .223s and unlike the AR NEVER empty
< Message edited by BamaD -- 4/2/2013 9:03:40 PM >
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