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Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 7:57:22 AM   
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The Mercatus Center, at George Mason University, has released its latest study on freedom in the United States.

Find your state in the image below. Guess which one is dead last? The complete set of ranking is at the headline link.




Purpose of the Index

This project develops an index of economic and personal freedom in the American states. Specifically, it examines state and local government intervention across a wide range of public policies, from income taxation to gun control, from homeschooling regulation to drug policy.

Measuring Freedom & Government Intervention

We explicitly ground our conception of freedom on an individual-rights framework. In our view, individuals should be allowed to dispose of their lives, liberties, and properties as they see fit, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others.


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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 8:30:04 AM   
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Not this nonsense again.

Are they still defining having the right to negotiate a union shop as being a loss of freedom?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 8:39:18 AM   
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THE MERCATUS CENTER WAS FOUNDED AND IS FUNDED BY THE KOCH FAMILY FOUNDATIONS. According to financial records, the Koch family has contributed more than thirty million dollars to George Mason, much of which has gone to the Mercatus Center, a nonprofit organization. Democratic strategist Rob Stein described the Mercatus Center as "ground zero for deregulation policy in Washington.”

THE MERCATUS CENTER HAS ENGAGED IN CAMPAIGNS INVOLVING DEREGULATION, ESPECIALLY ENVIRONMENTAL DEREGULATION. IT NOW FILLS THE ROLE ONCE PLAYED BY THE ECONOMICS DEPARTMENT AT CHICAGO UNIVERSITY AS THE ORIGINATOR OF EXTREME NEOLIBERAL IDEAS....
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With his brother Charles, who is seventy-four, David Koch owns virtually all of Koch Industries, a conglomerate, headquartered in Wichita, Kansas, whose annual revenues are estimated to be a hundred billion dollars. The company has grown spectacularly since their father, Fred, died, in 1967, and the brothers took charge. The Kochs operate oil refineries in Alaska, Texas, and Minnesota, and control some four thousand miles of pipeline. Koch Industries owns Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra, among other products. Forbes ranks it as the second-largest private company in the country, after Cargill, and its consistent profitability has made David and Charles Koch - who, years ago, bought out two other brothers - among the richest men in America. Their combined fortune of thirty-five billion dollars is exceeded only by those of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

THE KOCHS ARE LONGTIME LIBERTARIANS WHO BELIEVE IN DRASTICALLY LOWER PERSONAL AND CORPORATE TAXES, MINIMAL SOCIAL SERVICES FOR THE NEEDY, AND MUCH LESS OVERSIGHT OF INDUSTRY - ESPECIALLY ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION. THESE VIEWS DOVETAIL WITH THE BROTHERS’ CORPORATE INTERESTS. In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a “kingpin of climate science denial.” The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies - from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program - that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Kochtopus.....

Rob Stein, a Democratic political strategist who has studied the conservative movement’s finances, said that the Kochs are “at the epicenter of the anti-Obama movement. But IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT OBAMA. They would have done the same to Hillary Clinton. They did the same with Bill Clinton. THEY ARE OUT TO DESTROY PROGRESSIVISM.”....

Gus diZerega, a former friend of Charles Koch, believes that THE KOCH BROTHERS HAVE FOLLOWED A WAYWARD INTELLECTUAL TRAJECTORY, TRANSFERRING THEIR FATHER’S PARANOIA ABOUT SOVIET COMMUNISM [THEIR FATHER WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE ULTRA-RIGHT-WING JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY] TO A DISTRUST OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND SEEING ITS EXPANSION, BEGINNING WITH THE NEW DEAL, AS A TYRANNICAL THREAT TO FREEDOM....

IN THE MID-EIGHTIES, THE KOCHS PROVIDED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY, IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, TO SET UP ANOTHER THINK TANK. NOW KNOWN AS THE MERCATUS CENTER, it promotes itself as “the world’s premier university source for market-oriented ideas - bridging the gap between academic ideas and real-world problems.” Financial records show that the Koch family foundations have contributed more than thirty million dollars to George Mason, much of which has gone to the Mercatus Center, a nonprofit organization. “IT’S GROUND ZERO FOR DEREGULATION POLICY IN WASHINGTON,” Rob Stein, the Democratic strategist, said....

AN ENVIRONMENTAL LAWYER WHO HAS CLASHED WITH THE MERCATUS CENTER CALLED IT “A MEANS OF LAUNDERING ECONOMIC AIMS.” THE LAWYER EXPLAINED THE STRATEGY: “YOU TAKE CORPORATE MONEY AND GIVE IT TO A NEUTRAL-SOUNDING THINK TANK,” WHICH “HIRES PEOPLE WITH PEDIGREES AND ACADEMIC DEGREES WHO PUT OUT CREDIBLE-SEEMING STUDIES. BUT THEY ALL COINCIDE PERFECTLY WITH THE ECONOMIC INTERESTS OF THEIR FUNDERS.”....

The Kochs have long depended on the public’s not knowing all the details about them. They have been content to operate what David Koch has called “the largest company that you’ve never heard of.” But with the growing prominence of the Tea Party, and with increased awareness of the Kochs’ ties to the movement, the brothers may find it harder to deflect scrutiny. Recently, President Obama took aim at the Kochs’ political network. Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fund-raiser, in Austin, he warned supporters that the Supreme Court’s recent ruling in the Citizens United case—which struck down laws prohibiting direct corporate spending on campaigns—had made it even easier for big companies to hide behind “groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity.” [OR THE MERCATUS CENTER] Obama said, “They don’t have to say who, exactly, Americans for Prosperity are. You don’t know if it’s a foreign-controlled corporation” - or even, he added, “a big oil company.”
Covert Operations - The billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama

A report by the Mercatus Center on "Freedom In The Fifty States" is like a report by the Association of Street Pimps on the positive benefits of human sex trafficking.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 8:47:44 AM   
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THE MERCATUS CENTER WAS FOUNDED AND IS FUNDED BY THE KOCH FAMILY FOUNDATIONS....

A report by the Mercatus Center on "Freedom In The Fifty States" is like a report by the Association of Street Pimps on the positive benefits of human sex trafficking.

Was there something you wanted to criticize in the criteria they use in their ratings? You know, like an actual intelligent comment addressed to the topic? I'm only asking because it may surprise you to know that some people consider personal liberty rather important.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 8:48:55 AM   
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Are they still defining having the right to negotiate a union shop as being a loss of freedom?

I don't know. Why should I be forced to join a union if I don't want to?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 8:51:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Are they still defining having the right to negotiate a union shop as being a loss of freedom?

I don't know. Why should I be forced to join a union if I don't want to?

K.


Why should a group of eployees and their employer not be able to negotiate an employment contract with any terms acceptable to both parties?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:07:31 AM   
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Why should a group of eployees and their employer not be able to negotiate an employment contract with any terms acceptable to both parties?

Did you hear a voice again? I'm sorry. Who said they shouldn't? I think that's fine, as long as the terms of the agreement apply only to the interested employees and the employer.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:15:35 AM   
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Thus, our freedom index does not capture all aspects of freedom.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/measuring-freedom-government-intervention

Says it all for me.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:15:36 AM   
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Willie Soon, the notorious climate denier who has made a career out of attacking the IPCC and climate scientists, has received over $1 million in funding from Big Oil and coal industry sponsors over the past decade. The documents show that Willie Soon has received at least $175,000 from Koch family foundations (Soon is a key player in the Koch brothers’ climate denial machine, as Greenpeace documented previously), $230,000 from Southern Company, $274,000 from the American Petroleum Institute, and $335,000 from ExxonMobil, among other polluters.

May also want to look at some this about the Koch Brothers.....

http://www.publicintegrity.org/news/Koch-Family-Foundations

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:23:32 AM   
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Willie Soon, the notorious climate denier who has made a career out of attacking the IPCC and climate scientists, has received over $1 million in funding from Big Oil and coal industry sponsors over the past decade. The documents show that Willie Soon has received at least $175,000 from Koch family foundations...

Another magician trying to lead the audience's attention away from the topic. Can't you guys at least afford a pretty assistant?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:26:27 AM   
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But we see, that the 'taking away your freedoms' and the 'big government' are actually at the state level, not the FED.  



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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:26:49 AM   
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Thus, our freedom index does not capture all aspects of freedom.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/measuring-freedom-government-intervention

Says it all for me.

What specific aspects of freedom do you feel it unfairly omits? Or does the whole of your complaint rest on it not being perfect?

K.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:30:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Another magician trying to lead the audience's attention away from the topic. Can't you guys at least afford a pretty assistant?

K.

Sorry but as I previously wrote:
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A report by the Mercatus Center on "Freedom In The Fifty States" is like a report by the Association of Street Pimps on the positive benefits of human sex trafficking.

Your source - the Mercatus Center - is a front group for extremist libertarians, the Koch brothers - therefore, the conclusions in their published report are, at best, highly suspect - if not total lies invented to further their owner's political positions.

Another appropriate analogy to this Mercatus Group report might be a group of Roman Catholic priests accused of sexually abusing choirboys using a report by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) to justify their actions.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:35:27 AM   
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Your source - the Mercatus Center - is a front group for extremist libertarians, the Koch brothers - therefore, the conclusions in their published report are, at best, highly suspect - if not total lies invented to further thier owner's political poditions.

Your post, because it comes from you, is at best highly suspect - if not a bald diversion contrived to further your own personal agenda.

See how that works?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:39:28 AM   
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Thus, our freedom index does not capture all aspects of freedom.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/measuring-freedom-government-intervention

Says it all for me.

What specific aspects of freedom do you feel it unfairly omits? Or does the whole of your complaint rest on it not being perfect?

K.



When those who design the study admit that it doesnt capture all aspects of freedom, there is no reason for me to delve into which aspects are missing.

The "Map of freedom" is a fallacy designed by cherry picking only what they feel is pertinent.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:51:24 AM   
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Executive Summary
This study comprehensively ranks the American states on their public policies that affect individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres. It updates, expands, and improves upon our inaugural 2009 Freedom in the 50 States study. For this new edition, we have added more policy variables (such as bans on trans fats and the audio recording of police, Massachusetts’s individual health-insurance mandate, and mandated family leave), improved existing measures (such as those for fiscal policies, workers’ compensation regulations, and asset-forfeiture rules), and developed specific policy prescriptions for each of the 50 states based on our data and a survey of state policy experts. With a consistent time series, we are also able to discover for the first time which states have improved and worsened in regard to freedom recently.
Purpose of the Index
This project develops an index of economic and personal freedom in the American states. Specifically, it examines state and local government intervention across a wide range of public policies, from income taxation to gun control, from homeschooling regulation to drug policy.

source

Ok this is the criteria of the study, why don't you fill us in on which "freedoms" you perceive are being ignored.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:54:40 AM   
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Why should a group of eployees and their employer not be able to negotiate an employment contract with any terms acceptable to both parties?



Fine by me, everyone has the right to contract. By that caveat, no union can require participation in order to have a job. Nor can a union replace an employer as to firing an employee. But, yeah, if you want collective bargaining, have at it. The employer can also say no.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 9:55:55 AM   
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Executive Summary
This study comprehensively ranks the American states on their public policies that affect individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres. It updates, expands, and improves upon our inaugural 2009 Freedom in the 50 States study. For this new edition, we have added more policy variables (such as bans on trans fats and the audio recording of police, Massachusetts’s individual health-insurance mandate, and mandated family leave), improved existing measures (such as those for fiscal policies, workers’ compensation regulations, and asset-forfeiture rules), and developed specific policy prescriptions for each of the 50 states based on our data and a survey of state policy experts. With a consistent time series, we are also able to discover for the first time which states have improved and worsened in regard to freedom recently.
Purpose of the Index
This project develops an index of economic and personal freedom in the American states. Specifically, it examines state and local government intervention across a wide range of public policies, from income taxation to gun control, from homeschooling regulation to drug policy.

source

Ok this is the criteria of the study, why don't you fill us in on which "freedoms" you perceive are being ignored.


I already quoted from the source.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 10:00:11 AM   
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I guess it depends on what you consider as a "freedom" on a personal level.

If your perception of any one 'freedom' is different to that of the study, it renders the results meaningless.


ETA-
Here's an example of where a single item can be viewed as an infringement of 'freedom' to one person but and actual real freedom to another....
Let's take a highly controversial and emotional subject like gun control.
If one person wants the freedom to walk around the streets with a gun, then gun control would be considered an infringement of their liberty to do so.
However, if another person wants the freedom to walk the streets without the fear of someone pulling a gun on them, then gun control would be welcomed and would not be considered as an infringement.

And that's just one subject amongst many thousands.
So.... how can this so-called map of 'freedom' be anything but purely subjective??



Just my

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 3/30/2013 10:01:39 AM   
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The "Map of freedom" is a fallacy designed by cherry picking only what they feel is pertinent.

I understand from having been previously corrected in this regard that only your view is the truth. But if you'll forgive me for declining to subscribe to that doctrine, I would like to point out that it's not a "fallacy" to readers who agree with their choices.

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