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joether -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 3:19:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Your continuing commits in an attempt to show “gun free zones” are ineffective are nothing more than ranting. Your replies only concern what you feel would make more of a personal attack then to promote anything meaningful. As you did not comment on the NRA supporting “gun free zones” but that would mean you would have to say something against your narrow minded biased views. I counter your ego by saying so what, being armed does not do anything either. Look at Texas, two armed DA gun down, the Police Chief of a West Virginia County was gun down in his police car and now Mississippi Detective are now dead, killed at the police station, he must have felt safe all those gun he forgot to search the suspect. Gee all in pro gun states, guns everywhere, and they are still dead. A lot of good guns did them, see guns did work; guns don’t scare the criminals away.

Only an idiot would not prefer that his victims be unarmed.


So those guys that ran planes into two rather small 'towers' in New York City on Sept. 11, 2001 were afraid of the few hundred million firearms within the nation's border? Or the seven mass shootings in 2012 when guns were nearby? How about all the examples of persons using guns on law enforcement? It really is a sad concept that conservatives have deluded themselves to believe; that criminals only go over those that are unarmed. Hackers will go after anyone with or without a gun. So will identity thieves. In fact, identity thieves would more likely go after gun owners as it hides their illegal purchases....

Burglars would be more likely to victimize a gun owner than a non-gun owner. Do you have any idea how much the black market has gone up for guns when the legally bought guns are worth so much more in price than last year? A gun collection of twelve firearms is worth a bigger fortunate than finding three state-of-the-art gamer rigs! Heck, easier to carry and transport! When the police give chase, chucking a computer at them pale's in comparison to lethality to the awesome firepower of some guns these days.

Then you have the types that really just don't give a fuck. You ever go up against someone that has nothing to lose, knows all your strengths and weaknesses, and knows when the best time to strike is? Your gun is totally useless. Heck, the person would figure out (don't take much...) how to make that gun a liability to you. Yes, having you armed simply plays into their favor.

But some conservative folks live in a total fantasy world in which their firearms will protect them from any and all dangers. Kind of like the crosses back in the 17th century. That such objects would protect them from illness, devils, highwaymen, sinners, demons, and even the occasional monster under the bed! The modern day equivalent to the cross of 17th century Europe/America is the firearm.




Fightdirecto -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 6:27:31 AM)

For those who say "He was only making a joke":

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NY Times Hides Extremism Of Fringe Gun Lobby Group leader

The New York Times covered up the extremism of the fringe gun lobby organization Gun Owners of America (GOA) in an article highlighting the group's influence with Republican politicians.

Notably, the Times reported only that the group's leader, Larry Pratt, "worked briefly for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign." While it's true that he "worked briefly" for Buchanan's campaign, the Times left out the reason Pratt's role was short-lived: he stepped down as co-chair of the campaign in response to reports that he had attended meetings organized by right-wing militia leaders and white supremacists.

The article describes GOA as an "upstart group" that has a "rising profile" and is "increasingly potent" because of its "loud" advocacy tactics on positions that "tend to veer farther right than those of the" National Rifle Association. It includes praise for the group from Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Dean Heller (R-NV) and reports that the organization has been successful in "freezing senators, particularly Republicans" from taking positions in support of gun violence prevention legislation.

But the Times ignored the extremism of the group's leadership and the bizarre conspiracies they have adopted. The article describes Pratt, the organization's executive director, as follows:

Mr. Pratt, 70, has long been active in Republican politics. He served in the Virginia legislature in the 1980s, and he worked briefly for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign.

That description of Pratt's service with Buchanan is inadequate, as the Times' reporting from February 18, 1996, indicates (via Nexis):

Last week, Larry Pratt, a co-chairman of the Buchanan campaign, took a leave of absence after the disclosure that he had spoken at rallies held by leaders of the white supremacist and militia movements.

Mr. Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said in an interview that he did not know the other speakers. He also said he did not harbor anti-Semitic or racist views, although his articles on gun ownership often appear in The Jubilee, a tabloid published in California by leaders of the Christian Identity movement, a white supremacist organization.

The Boston Globe provided more detail on Pratt's actions in a February 17, 1996 article (via Nexis), reporting that he "had attended a 1992 conference of militant white supremacists in Colorado in the aftermath of the shootout with federal agents at Ruby Ridge, Idaho." According to the Globe:

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Prominent participants at that meeting included Pete Peters, head of a group called Christian Identity, former Ku Klux Klan leader and Aryan Nation official Louis Bream and Aryan Nation founder Richard Butler. The Center for Public Integrity report also said Pratt attended a meeting in 1995 with militia leader Bo Gritz, at which racist and anti-Semitic material was available.


Newsday further reported in a March 1, 1996, article that Pratt had spoken out in favor of the creation of "armed militia units" at that meeting (via Nexis):

According to a recent book by Kenneth Stern, an official of the American Jewish Committee, Pratt used the meeting to criticize as inadequate the efforts of the National Rifle Association against gun control and to suggest a "national struggle for survival" with "armed militia units."

Pratt also spoke at least two other meetings organized by groups with racist agendas, Stern alleged.

Those meetings were not Pratt's only reported links to racist organizations. On February 17, 1996, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported (via Nexis) that Pratt "has ties to an Oklahoma group that sells anti-Semitic literature and has a history of participating in events that have featured political extremists."

In more recent days, Pratt and his organization have:

* Said that President Obama should be impeached if he uses an executive order to restrict gun rights.

* Said that legislation denying firearms to the dangerously mentally ill was "a dictatorial power" that "they use[d] ... in Nazi Germany."

* Is a fixture on Alex Jones' conspiracy radio show. In one representative appearance, Pratt suggested that that the shooting at an Aurora, CO, movie theater may have been staged.

* Agreed with an interviewer's suggestion that a race war is imminent.

* Pushed the conspiracy that the federal government deliberately trafficked guns to Mexican drug cartels as part of a plot to push stronger gun laws.

With his record, it is hard to tell when he is "making a joke" and when he is being serious - since his "jokes" and his "serious comments" sound exactly the same.




BamaD -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 9:57:32 AM)

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So those guys that ran planes into two rather small 'towers' in New York City on Sept. 11, 2001 were afraid of the few hundred million firearms within the nation's border? Or the seven mass shootings in 2012 when guns were nearby? How about all the examples of persons using guns on law enforcement? It really is a sad concept that conservatives have deluded themselves to believe; that criminals only go over those that are unarmed. Hackers will go after anyone with or without a gun. So will identity thieves. In fact, identity thieves would more likely go after gun owners as it hides their illegal purchases....


Irrelivant




BamaD -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 9:58:52 AM)

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Burglars would be more likely to victimize a gun owner than a non-gun owner. Do you have any idea how much the black market has gone up for guns when the legally bought guns are worth so much more in price than last year? A gun collection of twelve firearms is worth a bigger fortunate than finding three state-of-the-art gamer rigs! Heck, easier to carry and transport! When the police give chase, chucking a computer at them pale's in comparison to lethality to the awesome firepower of some guns these days.


That is why I hace a gun safe




BamaD -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 10:00:44 AM)

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Then you have the types that really just don't give a fuck. You ever go up against someone that has nothing to lose, knows all your strengths and weaknesses, and knows when the best time to strike is? Your gun is totally useless. Heck, the person would figure out (don't take much...) how to make that gun a liability to you. Yes, having you armed simply plays into their favor.


Liberal fantasy.




BamaD -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 10:02:08 AM)

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But some conservative folks live in a total fantasy world in which their firearms will protect them from any and all dangers. Kind of like the crosses back in the 17th century. That such objects would protect them from illness, devils, highwaymen, sinners, demons, and even the occasional monster under the bed! The modern day equivalent to the cross of 17th century Europe/America is the firearm.


As opposed to cringing in the corner proud of their victimhood.




Kirata -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 10:34:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

So those guys that ran planes into two rather small 'towers' in New York City on Sept. 11, 2001 were afraid of the few hundred million firearms within the nation's border?

I think we've hit bottom now.

K.




FunCouple5280 -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 10:35:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: joether

So those guys that ran planes into two rather small 'towers' in New York City on Sept. 11, 2001 were afraid of the few hundred million firearms within the nation's border?

I think we've hit bottom now.

K.


nope, there is still more to go.....there hasn't been mention of nuclear arsenal yet...




BamaD -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/5/2013 1:04:26 PM)

lol




thompsonx -> RE: Head of Pro-gun group calls for taking away 2nd Amendment rights (4/6/2013 3:48:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Esinn


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

"There are people that shouldn’t have guns – angry liberals should not have guns.”

I find it most instructive that this punk ass mother fucker wants to limit the gun owning rights of his political opponents.


Nope...I am a life member of the nra and I find demopubs and repulicrats to be to be about equal to one another.

Are you an angry liberal, pumpkin? Show us on the doll where the evil republican touched you.





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