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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 9:30:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		You haven't read of Boris's plan to erect a statue of her outside Westminster yet, have you? (Though paid for by donations, apparently.)

Hmmm. I wonder how long the statue's head will last . . . . They'll have to ban cricket or baseball bats within a mile of it, I suppose.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 9:37:11 AM   
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You haven't read of Boris's plan to erect a statue of her outside Westminster yet, have you? (Though paid for by donations, apparently.)

Hmmm. I wonder how long the statue's head will last . . . . They'll have to ban cricket or baseball bats within a mile of it, I suppose.


I'm sure London's pigeons will let everyone know what we think of her

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 10:04:27 AM   
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I'm really sorry to read so many poor opinions of her here and on the other thread. She may not have made all of the best decisions but she certainly did prove to young girls that you really *can* be anything that you set out to be. Love her or hate her, you can't deny that she taught that lesson to females around the world.


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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 10:15:07 AM   
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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 10:31:16 AM   
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A little late on this but rest in peace.

I'm really sorry to read so many poor opinions of her here and on the other thread. She may not have made all of the best decisions but she certainly did prove to young girls that you really *can* be anything that you set out to be. Love her or hate her, you can't deny that she taught that lesson to females around the world.



On the the other hand she was totally against feminist movements herself, promoted I think one female MP to the cabinet in the 11 years of her government, and did nothing to actually advance the cause of women in politics. The under-representation of women in politics is a societal, cultural issue, and Margaret Thatcher hated 'society'. Whenever I have had a discussion about the need to redress the gender imbalance in politics, 'what about Thatcher?' is the first thing they say. The implication being that if Thatcher could do it then anyone can.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 11:01:56 AM   
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A little late on this but rest in peace.

I'm really sorry to read so many poor opinions of her here and on the other thread. She may not have made all of the best decisions but she certainly did prove to young girls that you really *can* be anything that you set out to be. Love her or hate her, you can't deny that she taught that lesson to females around the world.



I think it was Thatcher who did so much to make the phrase 'woman playing a man's role' such common currency here. You had to be a particular sort of woman. I know a few women who voted for her in '79 mainly because of her sex; they all regretted it later.


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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 11:56:57 AM   
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She could at least pay for her own fucking funeral instead of it being subsidised by the public purse!!


Which actually would fit right into what has been said about her in the news....she was into privatisation (if I am informed correctly) so it would be good to pay her funeral privately...

just my thought....especially with the current financial problems the UK has...

A lot of people have been thinking that.
Many are absolutely furious at the thought of ten million being blown on planting the sow in the middle of this "austerity" shit, so a few alternative burial plans have been suggested.


I really feel for your country in that respect....your country beeing in an awful recession but nevertheless paying a fortune on the royal wedding and now on that funeral....I am really asking what excuse will come up next for spending another massive bill...



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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/12/2013 12:27:31 PM   
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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/14/2013 11:42:07 AM   
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A little late on this but rest in peace.

I'm really sorry to read so many poor opinions of her here and on the other thread. She may not have made all of the best decisions but she certainly did prove to young girls that you really *can* be anything that you set out to be. Love her or hate her, you can't deny that she taught that lesson to females around the world.



actually the woman was a first class bitch. i wouldn't want anyone to think that she had influenced me in anyway other than how not to be. the cow bag had a ship with 300 men on it sank as they retreated from a war she started.

i know friends that lost their homes in the miner's strikes. she helped the police cover up a major football incident where many people lost their lives. her son was an illegal arms dealer in africa and we, the nation, had to spend our money to rescue that coniving cunt so the africans didn't kill him. her list of attrocities is heavy reading.

i have nothing but anger and bile for that woman. 10million is a kick in the guts to all those that have suffered at her hands. if they want such a huge funeral than to honour her in the right way privatise it. her own family can afford to pay for it, and certainly should.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 5:34:32 AM   
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You haven't read of Boris's plan to erect a statue of her outside Westminster yet, have you? (Though paid for by donations, apparently.)

That's unlikely to happen, but would be preferable to putting the annoying bitch on the empty plinth in Trafalgar Square (which is technically reserved for her maj when she croaks anyway, I believe.)

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 7:07:52 AM   
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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 7:37:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		She definitely created controversy, and not everyone liked her decisions.

Then again...there are a few people who think my mom is a bitch, and when she dies I will still grieve. So if nothing else, I enough respect for the grief of her family not to do a dance of joy that they have lost someone they love. I'm all weak and feely like that.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 12:04:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		That kind of respect doesn't seem to exist anymore for people in the public eye. People will talk about wanting the president of the United States to die, do a dance of joy because they didn't like someone's politics. It is one thing to not like the politics, and to speak out against them, but there is no need to resort to the type of name calling and hopes of horrible things happening. There should still be respect for the office the person holds, or as in this case, respect for the family. Glee over someone's death doesn't speak ill of the dead as much as it does the speaker.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 12:22:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		respect is earnt. i have no respect for someone who devastates a nation, shoots people in the back, and helps the rich get richer while those struggling are trampled into the ground for that to happen. she personally ordered a ship to be sank when it was already retreating from a war that she started. i do wonder just how many people spouting holier-than-thou stuff in here would be speaking differently had it been them personally that she had affected.

people lost their jobs, homes, took their lives, and died at her hands. it wasn't just politics, it was people's actual lives that she made hell. i have no respect for that at all. i have no respect for someone claiming to have a countries best interests at heart while doing the exact oposite. i haven't danced on her photo or anything else, but i have nothing but contempt for her, which is all she deserved because that's what her actions earnt.

millions in this country feel the same way.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 1:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		But many others are "dancing on her photograph." It isn't about respecting the person per se. She is no longer in that position, and you don't have to be sad she is dead, but being gleeful about it is still a horrible way to be. You don't need to grieve her death, but people's behavior is disrespectful to her family.

I certainly don't think that your government should pay for her funeral, that's ridiculous.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 1:31:32 PM   
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But many others are "dancing on her photograph." It isn't about respecting the person per se. She is no longer in that position, and you don't have to be sad she is dead, but being gleeful about it is still a horrible way to be. You don't need to grieve her death, but people's behavior is disrespectful to her family.

In many ways, for an awful lot of people, Maggie could be viewed in much the same light as Gadaffi when his regime finally fell and they caught him.
He also had a grieving family, but the vast majority of the 'rebels' and even many of his own people had nothing but disdain and hate for him and what he did to the people.
You didn't see people tell them to tone it down because he had a grieving family did you??
Many of us feel the same way about Maggie.

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I certainly don't think that your government should pay for her funeral, that's ridiculous.

It's not as if she was short of a few bob!!
Even her offspring, Carol and Mark, are quite well-off compared to many citizens - even the rich ones!


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...she personally ordered a ship to be sank when it was already retreating from a war that she started.

As a point of order needles, the Argies had landed on the Falklands before she declared war.
So in that sense, the Argies started the war, not Maggie.
At least that's what I read.
Apart from that, I agree with your sentiments.


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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 4:16:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's no doubt that the Belgrano was outside of the exclusion zone, and heading away from it when it was sank. That's technically piracy rather than an act of war, and they shoot Somalians for that.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/15/2013 8:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brezhnev took Afghanistan
And Begin took Beirut
Galtieri took the Union Jack

And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser, with all hands.
Apparently to make him give it back.

One of the things everyone seems to be overlooking is that Maggie and Ronnie worked together to end the Red Menace out of Moscow. I used those ancient phrases on purpose. There were some really scary people involved in the cold war.

I may be from the other side of the pond and I don't know all of the details of what happened inside of the UK in that time period. I do know that up until 1989 when the Soviets threw in the towel I expected to be blown up "any day now." Maggie was extremely important to that effort. I just watched the latest episode of Doctor Who (The Cold War) and my heart was racing when it reminded me of the actual cold war and MAD. I grew up in a house with a father that had top-secret-crypto clearance. I knew more about it than most. We all just barely escaped destruction.

Even if you didn't like her, remember that.

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/16/2013 3:43:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could agree more! I was only very young during the miners strike, but there are points about it I remember very well.

When I was little, we lived next to a wood (parents still live there). A miner actually hanged himself from a tree there. We only found out when a friend of mine who must have only been about 7 or 8, walked into his legs. Poor child was traumatised for life. Miner's family lost a son, husband and father.

I know he wasn't the only one who sadly chose this final option. Did Maggie show sympathy for them? I think not!

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RE: "Iron Lady" Passed Away - 4/16/2013 4:05:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also the money being spent on this ridiculous funeral annoys me. We supposedly have a massive hole in the economy, and yet were spending millions on a funeral for the cow. Yes, I may be an insensitive moo for saying this, but you know what? I don't care! I saw what she did. In Sheffield and Rotherham (where I'm originally from) she crippled the industry. Sheffield has managed to rebuild itself (although there are still plenty of skeleton-like former steelworks), but Rotherham never recovered. High unemployment, high crime, loads of empty shops - it doesn't have a high street anymore and it doesn't have an industry. Last one out of that town switch off the light, because it's dead. Google the town and you will see what I mean.

How ironic though that she died on the day the last coal mine in South Yorkshire closed - Maltby Colliery.

Glenda Jackson spoke up in Parliament last week, and was probably the first politician I've heard speak the truth. As she said, Thatcher ruined this country, and made it so greed and selfishness were virtues (the yuppie days). Mental Hospitals were closed to make way for "Care In The Community." Shop doorways were then littered with mental health patients, who had nowhere to go as a result. It effectively became no care at all. Schools were crumbling - children's drawings being put up to cover cracks in the plaster. School books were tattered, with no chance of replacing them. There weren't even enough school books to go around. Library shelves were empty.

In hospitals, people were dying in waiting rooms. Many patients were placed in hospital corridors because there wasn't enough ward space or beds. One woman, in my local hospital gave birth to her baby, on a wooden board in a corridor - because there weren't enough beds.

Right to Buy your council house - well what a con that was! Right to Buy meant you were responsible for repairs - saving the councils money. It then caused a huge housing shortage, hence the amount of homeless people increased.

A lack of military equipment during the Falklands. I remember talking to one veteran of the Falklands war, years ago. He told me a story of how one of his comrades was injured in the conflict. They didn't have the medical supplies to help him - they were left with no choice but to shoot him. It was either that or let him die slowly and painfully. Bet that was never reported, eh?

And let's not even talk about her "milk-stealing" days!

Sadly, I am seeing history repeat itself today with the coalition. Cameron seems to be finishing what Thatcher started.

I have no sympathy to the uncaring bitch. Multi-million pound funeral? Fuck that! Just chuck her on the scrapheap - like she did to all those miners, steelworks, mental health patients and more during her reign!

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