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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 8:35:41 AM   
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Interesting observation, I do hear use and abuse of prescription drugs is a bigger problem than illegal drugs and alcohol, and harder to detect......


True that. Some dungeon bunnies are known to "cheat" and take pain pills and/or injections so they can play harder and show better. I've seen a bit of that happen.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 10:10:44 AM   
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The vast majority of my experience in the scene comes from working in a private club that served alcohol. Yes, it was forbidden in the play areas, but there was a small service bar and an observation lounge adjacent. The drinking itself wasn't the problem, it was the abuse of prescription pain meds in conjunction we found. I was basically a glorified bouncer with a server's permit, so I had to stay alert to the ones acting a little too out there. Most of the patrons were sound and responsible regarding intoxicants, but all it takes is one to ruin it all.

Interesting observation, I do hear use and abuse of prescription drugs is a bigger problem than illegal drugs and alcohol, and harder to detect, i.e., people don't often do prescription meds in a social setting the way they have a drink or hit a number, and conversely, someone who ought to be on meds and isn't taking them can act more erratically than somebody who's getting hammered.

I generally subscribe to a one drink limit for sex in general, for myself or my partner, if you need one to help loosen you up, or knock yourself back a step, but I basically get very little from banging some drunken bitch, there's no point in making things memorable if you can't remember it.

In a public scene there are going to be legal issues, I would ideally require full disclosure of any prescription med issues, and possibly even a breathalizer test, with some kind of quarantine/penalty box if it's just high spirits rather than a genuine problems, there are public health issues here. and if you have someone tied up and at your mercy, you need to be in your right mind.

It's one reason I have little patience with the morality crowd, a lot of people get messed specifically to get around the crippling inhibitions they have drilled into them for the sake of some farfetched, abstract social/theological theories, and then make stupid decisions while under the influence. I believe if you can't do it stone cold sober, in broad daylight, in the middle of mainstreet, you probably shouldn't be doing it at all.

Drugs only simulate experience: you need an emotional/social context in order to assimilate real experience.

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It was a nightmare at times. The local culture was LDS, and while there were some who drank, many abstained, even when they were indulging in their other taboos. RX drug abuse was sky-high there, along with meth and other stimulants. As Resident Sadist pointed out, there was cheating, especially among the pro-subs, to be able to handle what their clients wished to deliver.

I won't pull any punches-there was prostitution going on there weekly, with the full knowledge of the club owners. Granted, it was very hard to become a member, and those who were engaging in it had to pay full dues, just like everyone else, but they still made serious coin in there. Staff did have the authority to step in and at least make them perform the transaction outside, but it was an open secret. Yes, the majority of the members were just kinksters, but there was a clique of ROWGs (Rich Old White Guys) who were there for only one thing, and didn't have the time or motivation to get to know people like we do.

It was another way some of the pros got paid, too. Instead of cash or goods, they'd get paid in pharmaceuticals, either for their own use or to resell. A lot of times, they'd have their clients take one or two to ensure it was the real deal, not a placebo, and that's when we'd have problems. Many of the clients were not regular users of alcohol or drugs, and couple that with a highly sexually charged environment, in a (purposely) overheated basement space, and factor in things like age, health, and general disposition, we'd have everything from fainting spells to a couple of full-blown heart attacks. In order to work there, I had to have a current CPR/BLS certificate, food handlers permit with liquor server's endorsement, and also had to take a special class on identifying narcotic intoxication.


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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 6:06:03 PM   
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i don't mind when people have a few drinks. what concerned me is that these people are talking about fire play and intense interrogation scenes... all while finishing off a handle of Jose.


I'd be leery of attending this play party too.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 6:07:48 PM   
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Last night i attended my first munch for the area that i live in. All the people were super welcoming and great. I was asked to go to a play party that they host. i declined for the one they are having tonight but said i might be interested in going to one ( if i got permission to go ) and started asking a few questions. Everything seemed to be good until they started talking about how drunk they get at these play parties.

My question today is... How many of you who attend or host play parties allow alcohol at them? i've not been to a play party in quite a while but the ones i have attended had a pretty strict policy regarding alcohol. It just seems a tad unsafe to me to be doing the things that they ( we ? ) do in regard to BDSM and be drunk while doing it.


The only thing I can say is, if there wasn't crown Royal at that social gathering, well....they're simply pussies and it wouldn't be worth the attendance.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 7:29:29 PM   
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I get sloppy on Whiskey, it affects me differently than Gin or Vodka, I can drink T&T's all night, but one Whiskey and I have to wait an hour for the flush to wear off. Thing is, I actually kinda lose my libido when I drink, the last thing I want to do is fuck, I've disappointed a few women who for some reason only hit on me when I'm drinking - I can do it, but you're hardly going to get my best effort.

Might be something to do with my ex, bitch could not go to the bathroom without a beer in her hand.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 7:44:18 PM   
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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 8:13:53 PM   
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I've done interrogation scenes totally blithered. All I can remember is laughing hysterically.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 9:01:43 PM   
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I'd say about a third or so of the play-parties I've been to have allowed alcohol.

I've yet to attend one yet where people were bragging a bunch about how drunk they were doing edge-play, as seems to have been described earlier in this thread.

My experiences so far have all been positive... people being responsible in their actions and alcohol choices during those events.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 9:11:11 PM   
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Count me on the side that doesn't have a problem with drinking and playing. Not all playing requires total and intense concentration. If someone is cracking a single-tail or using knives, needles or razors, I'm not sure any impairment is wise. I truly believe a good hand-spanking can be dished out/survived if either or both participants are pretty tipsy. As with anything, there's shades of gray. Being sloppy drunk doesn't lend itself to doing much at all properly but playing of some sorts doesn't require total sobriety either. Common sense folks.........luci

This.

We don't go to play parties, but we drink and play. We don't get smashed and play, but sometimes we do loosen up a bit. But then our play isn't all that rough/extreme.

If we did go to a play party we'd have no issue with alcohol being served there. We go to night clubs and concerts a lot - we see our share of drunks. Doesn't bother us, and if it did we'd just move away from them.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 10:15:01 PM   
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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/15/2013 10:44:31 PM   
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I am never going to play, other than very light bondage with no sadism when I'm drinking.

That is my decision. It doesn't matter to me what other people do unless it's all the way off the RADAR.

If it's that far off the RADAR it doesn't matter to me if someone is drunk or not, I will stop the activity. If it's so bad that it exceeds my sensitivities while drunk there is something wrong. You'd have to go way overboard though. So far overboard that it's a felony for me to witness it and not report it.

Never mind though, I don't play in public so this will never be an issue. I have just wasted some of your precious time by making you read those sentences.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/16/2013 8:08:09 PM   
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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/16/2013 8:26:41 PM   
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No, it wasn't. At least 10,000 people died from poisoned alcohol. It gave power to organized crime which lead to some of the bloodiest turf wars in history.

Not to mention it took tax revenue away from the government.


Death from cirrhosis of the liver dropped 20% during prohibion. Alcohol usage in general was only about 60% of the pre-prohibition usage by the time Repeal came. In the beginning it was closer to 10 to 20 percent.

But I had already mentioned the legal enforcement problems it caused.


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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/16/2013 8:36:49 PM   
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No, it wasn't. At least 10,000 people died from poisoned alcohol. It gave power to organized crime which lead to some of the bloodiest turf wars in history.

Not to mention it took tax revenue away from the government.


Death from cirrhosis of the liver dropped 20% during prohibion. Alcohol usage in general was only about 60% of the pre-prohibition usage by the time Repeal came. In the beginning it was closer to 10 to 20 percent.

But I had already mentioned the legal enforcement problems it caused.


I used to be a drinker and I stopped. It's not safe, and I don't think drinking to the point of inebriation should be part of any kind of "play." Social drinking is fine, but drinking for the purpose of lowering one's inhibitions is never a good idea...

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/16/2013 11:26:23 PM   
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I've attended 2 play parties, and neither had alcohol.
I wish there was alcohol available, but I know the potential for harm, and out of control behavior happening. So it's understandable to me. M


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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/17/2013 2:15:23 AM   
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Like others, when done responsibly, I have no issue with it, although, like Malcom, I don't play in public so it isn't an issue for me.

The thing I keep hearing though is, "if I couldn't legally drive, then I don't play." In nearly every state in the US, the legal limit is now .08, which is about 2 glasses of wine.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/17/2013 5:40:21 PM   
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I personally have always enjoyed the feeling of getting inebriated and letting loose, losing all my inhibitions. The only reason I don't do it now is because I feel horrible in the mornings and can barely function for about two days.

But when I used to drink to that point, and if I was playing with someone it always led to tons of fun. I personally don't think there's a problem with it unless you both are into extreme types of fun but I have found very, very, very few are. Most are just about a little kinky sex in bed, maybe a flogging...nothing terribly damaging.

Master's been saying he's gonna get me like that again someday lol. He always says he wishes he would have met me 20 years ago.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/17/2013 10:28:13 PM   
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I personally have always enjoyed the feeling of getting inebriated and letting loose, losing all my inhibitions. The only reason I don't do it now is because I feel horrible in the mornings and can barely function for about two days.

But when I used to drink to that point, and if I was playing with someone it always led to tons of fun.

Heh.

Grinning here.

Yep, I get *somewhat* inebriated sometimes and totally let loose, laughing up a storm, dancing around, and just having tons of fun. I wake up just perfectly fine in the mornings, so that part doesn't affect me. I can always tell, though when I'm reaching that "Don't go there or you'll have gone too far" point, so we avoid that. He likes the playful SAMMY that comes out during these times.

I've always kept carefully in tune to drinking, though - alcoholism runs throughout my family, both immediate and extended. Fortunately, I am just fine going without it - gave it up for a year once and didn't flinch - and I don't *need* it to have fun. But those "woot woot, living it up" nights can be a blast.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/18/2013 1:26:09 AM   
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I too came up in the "no alcohol play party" format.

A glass of wine at a function's dinner before hand was fine.

Alcohol at events is one of the reason I have not been to any events in the last two years (except for one where no alcohol was served).

While I get the "we're adults" or "bar profits offsets the expenses" arguments, I choose to not participate.


I don't understand what you are saying. A drink before you play is fine, BUT it's not ok to drink at the party. I don't get what the difference is, Whether you drink before or during.

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RE: Alcohol at play parties? - 4/18/2013 5:35:24 PM   
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for me, when I get drunk, I don't really get sassy or playful or anything like that. I just get extremely, extremely horny and will do things I would never even think about doing when I'm not drunk unless he tells me to. When I'm drunk, there's no cringing, there's no thinking about it and being afraid. I just do it because I don't have that inhibition factor anymore.


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