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Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:28:44 PM   
subfoxxx


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Status: offline 		Just tried face slapping - both of us standing up. First time for me. He had read this (which by the way is v. useful)

http://www.frugaldomme.com/dangers/danger10.htm

I had said to him I thought a key thing was ensuring the head was secured and not vulnerable to movement and was stable. He did this by holding my hair in a pony tail.

It was all fine at the time. Few quite serious slaps in the zone below the cheek bone.It hurt in terms of skin stinging but otherwise felt fine at the time.

Later that evening (During a blow job of all things!) I felt a really odd pain in my jaw. like a serious muscular pull. At the time, I didn't connect the two.

24 hours later, my teeth were out of alignment. I'd most discribe it as a minor jaw dislocation. I could still chew/move jaw etc but my teeth did not close together in the same way as before.

A futher 24 hours later, still hurts - had a period where I felt I had whiplash (pain up right and left side of neck - but this was sideways - cheek impact - not forward and back).
Teeth messing/alignment has improved - not as massively out of alignment as yesterday but still not 100% normal.

Does any of this sound related to the face slapping?
Does anyone have any advice/ comments to add?
Is there a good way to stabilise the head if both of you are standing up?
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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:31:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		HOLD the lower jaw with your hand, and slap the cheek. Perhaps you should have asked for advice on how to play safely BEFORE you played.
See a doctor.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a permanent injury to my jaw from being slapped in the face across the jaw (not in a BDSM play setting).

If you slap somebody's face and don't want to do permanent injury, hold their jaw...

... and think for a second before you play... you're putting sideway force on a hinge/joint that isn't designed at all to withstand such force.

You do that hard enough or frequent enough without supporting the joint, you're going to break it...

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:35:49 PM   
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MissSpitzfire

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HOLD the lower jaw with your hand, and slap the cheek. Perhaps you should have asked for advice on how to play safely BEFORE you played.
See a doctor.



thanks for reply. your comment re asking for advice is a bit unfair as we had both researched and the best advice I'd found was the link above which was suggested to me by someone here.

So are you saying (say) if you slap with right hand on subs left cheek, hold left subs right hand jaw with doms' left hand?

If so, how?

Cupped underneath, gripped with fingers under jaw, flat hand against cheek? or how?

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:40:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, as a boxer the things you gotta watch out for, is you gotta kinda develop quick reflexes and clench your jaw, not hard though, and sort of brace that side of your neck, because you dont want your head to 'snap' turn, bad for spine, bad for brain, bad for neck, bad for you.  Slap in a little downward circle helps some, dissapates it in a way your muscles are better able to handle.  

And why the fuck he gotta hit so hard? I can plink you on your septum and have you crying for fucks sake.

Oh well, ice and ibuprophen, no drinking.  suffer bitch.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:45:54 PM   
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Does anyone have any advice/ comments to add?


If stuff is out of alignment, then go to a hospital!!!!!!

P.S. I am sorry you are injured and hurting, but MizzSpitFire's comment is right on target. Yes, you did some online research. The internet, however, is full of unreliable advice and B.S. When it comes to dangerous play, you probably want to look into workshops and such in your local area.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:49:10 PM   
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"...The answer is, you CAN'T do it safeLY. You CAN do it safER. The technique that I use is to hold my left palm firmly against his/her cheek, and slap his/her other cheek NOT TOO HARD with the fingers of my right hand. ..."

So while you researched it, you missed the simple thing: when it doubt always follow the directions.



http://www.thekinkrealm.com/article/face-slapping-techniques-caveats/



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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 4:56:09 PM   
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thanks for reply. your comment re asking for advice is a bit unfair as we had both researched and the best advice I'd found was the link above which was suggested to me by someone here.


Okay, but you didn't follow the advice given in that link.


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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 6:03:02 PM   
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As the others have pointed out, the tempomandibular joint (connection point of the upper and lower jaw) is designed to go up and own...NOT sideways. My male partner and I specifically do not engage in faceslapping because you can do things like dislocate jaws or cause subluxations of the cervical vertebrae (aka dislocate neck vertebrae). Not only is this alone painful, but you can compress nerves and other unpleasantries that can fuck up a good day or days to come. You can especially do it if you don't know how to properly stabilize the jaw and head with your hand on the cheek opposite the one being slapped. And from the sounds of it, your research didn't include learning how to do that.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 6:39:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The good thing is that this is repairable, see your dentist to begin, then a referral to an orthopedist.
If he had broken your ear drum or your eye socket, those things are not nearly as easy to fix.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 6:49:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Advice... Advice... let me see now... Oh! How about not doing that again?

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 6:50:08 PM   
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The good thing is that this is repairable, see your dentist to begin, then a referral to an orthopedist.
If he had broken your ear drum or your eye socket, those things are not nearly as easy to fix.

Hey, I've broken an eye socket before (Or more precisely had it broken for me-brass knucks play hell with face bones) That shit hurt. Like fucking bad. And did nerve damage too,took over two years before I could feel that side of my face again, and some of the damage still lingers.
The real fun came when I went and saw the nerve specialist. He said, "We can do surgery, and it might fix it. Might also make the damage worse. We just don't know enough about nerves right now. Or you could wait a year or so, see if it heals by itself."
Yeah-I was all full of positivity after that lovely diagnosis.

Meanwhile, BATR, this is exactly why people w/o familiarity shouldn't do anything remotely concerning edge play-the potential for damage and permanent injury is simply waaaaaaaaaaay too high. So lets be clear here, when I do faceslapping, and I've done it a lot and posted safety tips here more than once,I cradle her head in my hand, going along the jawline, across a cheek with fingertips resting in her hair. That way, I've got pretty much her whole head demobilized, which prevents lots of diufferent kinds of damages.
And Ron is dead on with his boxing comments-they match my experience in fighting rings. If you're getting slapped, for fucks sake, tighten your jaw. If nothing else, it'll keep you from accidentally biting your tongue.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 7:30:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subfoxxx





MissSpitzfire

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HOLD the lower jaw with your hand, and slap the cheek. Perhaps you should have asked for advice on how to play safely BEFORE you played.
See a doctor.



thanks for reply. your comment re asking for advice is a bit unfair as we had both researched and the best advice I'd found was the link above which was suggested to me by someone here.

So are you saying (say) if you slap with right hand on subs left cheek, hold left subs right hand jaw with doms' left hand?

If so, how?

Cupped underneath, gripped with fingers under jaw, flat hand against cheek? or how?


So you both read this article, but couldn't understand this statement:

quote:


The technique that I use is to hold my left palm firmly against his/her cheek, and slap his/her other cheek NOT TOO HARD with the fingers of my right hand. Or vice versa.


That sentence is pretty clear. So if neither of you could comprehend that, then you shouldn't engage in the activity, or accept responsibility for playing hazardously.

ETA: So someone beat me to pointing that out.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 7:46:59 PM   
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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 9:59:51 PM   
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Oh well, ice and ibuprophen, no drinking.  suffer bitch.




I actually think that method of bracing the head
also works for blowjobs Ron...

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 10:27:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know it has been a while, but isn't the motion of a blow job up and down, not side to side?

ETA:

I know have the mental image of a woman shaking her head back and forth like a shark tearing at a fish.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 11:18:30 PM   
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I know it has been a while, but isn't the motion of a blow job up and down, not side to side?

Depends on the angle.
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I know have the mental image of a woman shaking her head back and forth like a shark tearing at a fish.


The head may need more bracing if this is happening^


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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/15/2013 11:45:36 PM   
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Men should actually have a very pressing motive to make sure that they engage in safe face-slapping at all time.

The jaw injury I have, when it acts up, actually causes me to not be able to continue to give a blow job (which is when it acts up most often).

If it starts, and the blow job is continued forced, my jaw locks up with my teeth tightly clenched together...

So dudes... if you value getting your cock sucked... hold her jaw whilst beating her.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/16/2013 12:12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The comments on head bracing apply directly to tempo-mandibular joint issues. But if you kids just gotta have fun, knock yourselves out.
The hand bracing does squat for detached retinas. Unlike damaged jaw joints, That shit don't fix much. The hand bracing keeps the skull and jaw relatively aligned, it does nothing for the shock wave from the impact moving through soft tissue and living bone. If the doctor gets to the detaching retina before the fovea is loose, you'll probably see normally when it all heals. But impact detachments aren't like progressive age and myopia related detachments and can be whole retinas separating at once. That means basically blind, lucky if you can see well enough with the affected eye after the operation to read with a magnifying glass or impaired vision program making your computer letters hugely outsize.
Ask any older boxer about the guys he knows with detached retinas. Or his.
Now about brain, eye and general head 'strokes' from impacts and clots . . . nah, nobody wants to hear that.
Shall we discuss the exploding literature on new findings from the world of football and IEDs about low and mid level concussion? I doubt any kinksters like that interference in their fun either.
Butts, nipples and genitals are much safer places for impact play.
Oh, yeah. Don't be hitting feet with anything with real mass. No, you don't want to know those details either. Just more rain on someone's parade.

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RE: Faceslapping possible injury help - 4/16/2013 9:14:33 AM   
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