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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/18/2013 7:28:06 PM   
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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/18/2013 8:24:16 PM   
Powergamz1


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Gun stocks lag after gun control bill fails

In recent months, the fear of new restrictions has driven gun sales to all-time highs. Now, that incentive could be gone.

"When these things happen, we do see demand slide," said Neal Dihora of Morningstar, who covers Alliant Techsystems, an aerospace company that also makes guns for the civilian and military markets. "People start hoarding for a while, and [then they] realize they don't have to fill their basements with ammunition because it will still be there tomorrow."

Maybe that AR-15 I have been wanting will finally be available soon.





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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/18/2013 8:30:27 PM   
Powergamz1


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Former President George W. Bush has been the worst president in 200+ years of this nation's history. He started two wars, one of which he could not justify. Created both a deficit and debt which to this date effects the nation. Screwed up the education system with is one domestic action in his entire eight years. An that the concept of 'bushisms' were created to help the citizens understand....what the hell is that guy saying....in any of his speeches (you can find examples HERE. Not to mention his White House was both more corrupted than Richard Nixon and more ignoring the constitution when it was inconvenient to him. This is the president who justified torture as 'ok'.


Oh please. Get out more. O'bama himself called Afghanistan 'the good war'. If thats not enough reason to call it necessary and sufficient than what is? And if it was a good idea why are you bringing it up?

Friend, we have two choices - fight them there or fight them here. And if you understood the bush doctrine you'd understand that dumb as he was bush knew more than you. Bush's choice was fight them there.

The bush doctrine essentially said that if governments would not act to control activities in territories under its nominal control, that the US reserved the right to do so in its interest.

Lets see.. Deficit: Obama has created more deficit than Bush. More deficit than any other president, as a matter of fact. Also as a matter of fact more total deficit than all president up to Reagan combined.

Education.. Bush screwed it up eh? Lets see. Graduation rates in NYC and DC have been what 60% for a generation? 67% of 4th graders can't read to grade level. 1/3 are illiterate. Yeah. It's bush's fault. Despite
a). Schools have traditionally funded at the local and state levels.
b). Bush increased federal funding.
c). The no child left behind act was co sponsored by Ted Kennedy. You know. The arch conservative.

As for ignoring the constitution - you mean like by making recess appointments when congress wasn't in recess, and getting spanked by the supreme court?

As for speechwriting - you're right Bush didn't descend from mount Olympus and say that moment was the moment that we began to heal the planet.



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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/18/2013 8:32:43 PM   
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The NRA has gone from actually respresenting gun owners, as it did in 1968, to a group run for and by the gun manufacturers who don't want any chance their weapons won't continue moving into the black market.


Actually, the NRA doesn't represent gun manufacturers. In fact, gun manufacturers follow the NRA's lead.

Don't believe me? Hopefully Bloomberg Businessweek (the magazine) is a credible enough source for you: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-14/why-gun-makers-fear-the-nra. That was the cover story for the March 14, 2013, issue.

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The firearm industry representatives didn’t call the NRA, which they support with millions of dollars each year, to issue directives. On the contrary, they sought guidance on how to handle the public-relations crisis


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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/18/2013 8:36:34 PM   
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The NRA has gone from actually respresenting gun owners, as it did in 1968, to a group run for and by the gun manufacturers who don't want any chance their weapons won't continue moving into the black market.

Actually, the NRA doesn't represent gun manufacturers. In fact, gun manufacturers follow the NRA's lead.

Some people don't like being bothered with facts, but I fixed your link for you anyway (the period broke it).

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-14/why-gun-makers-fear-the-nra

K.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 10:22:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: muhly22222

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The NRA has gone from actually respresenting gun owners, as it did in 1968, to a group run for and by the gun manufacturers who don't want any chance their weapons won't continue moving into the black market.


Actually, the NRA doesn't represent gun manufacturers. In fact, gun manufacturers follow the NRA's lead.

Don't believe me? Hopefully Bloomberg Businessweek (the magazine) is a credible enough source for you: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-14/why-gun-makers-fear-the-nra. That was the cover story for the March 14, 2013, issue.

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The firearm industry representatives didn’t call the NRA, which they support with millions of dollars each year, to issue directives. On the contrary, they sought guidance on how to handle the public-relations crisis


You really think the millions of dollars per year has no inluence over the NRA?

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 11:09:32 AM   
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You really think the millions of dollars per year has no inluence over the NRA?


Perhaps it's what the NRA stands for that it receives those millions of dollars per year? But, using your logic, evidently Obama is owned by his $$$ benefactors. Surely they must have influence?


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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 11:24:51 AM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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You really think the millions of dollars per year has no inluence over the NRA?


Perhaps it's what the NRA stands for that it receives those millions of dollars per year? But, using your logic, evidently Obama is owned by his $$$ benefactors. Surely they must have influence?


Did I say they didn't? Why do you think it is ok to put words in my mouth?

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 11:39:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You really think the millions of dollars per year has no inluence over the NRA?


Perhaps it's what the NRA stands for that it receives those millions of dollars per year? But, using your logic, evidently Obama is owned by his $$$ benefactors. Surely they must have influence?


Did I say they didn't? Why do you think it is ok to put words in my mouth?



You can't even follow your own posts.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 11:59:50 AM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
You really think the millions of dollars per year has no inluence over the NRA?


Perhaps it's what the NRA stands for that it receives those millions of dollars per year? But, using your logic, evidently Obama is owned by his $$$ benefactors. Surely they must have influence?


Did I say they didn't? Why do you think it is ok to put words in my mouth?



You can't even follow your own posts.

Apprently you cannot read. try again. I bolded the part I was responding to.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 2:38:52 PM   
Focus50


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It's all over except for the whining.


And the killing....

Meh, big surprise that Americans are so obsessed with personal/home protection that you're utterly incapable of saving yourselves from yourselves.

2nd amendment - 200 years of simultaneously solving and creating the home-grown slaughter of innocents. Good luck with that, as am I to be born half a planet away, and where the 18th century is in the past.

Focus.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 2:45:00 PM   
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2nd amendment - 200 years of simultaneously solving and creating the home-grown slaughter of innocents.

Good luck with that

Our rates of violent crime are going down. Yours are going up.

Good luck with that.

K.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 4:28:04 PM   
Focus50


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2nd amendment - 200 years of simultaneously solving and creating the home-grown slaughter of innocents.

Good luck with that

Our rates of violent crime are going down. Yours are going up.

Good luck with that.



And it's what, 3 days since the Boston marathon...?

Impeccable timing, as ever.

Focus.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 4:50:17 PM   
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That's a nice dance step, but facts remain facts.

Thanks for your input on our Constitution, though.

K.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 10:37:15 PM   
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..........as am I to be born half a planet away..............

Focus.




That really makes me wonder why you're so concerned with our 2nd amendment and why its any of your bees wax.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/19/2013 11:08:36 PM   
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That really makes me wonder why you're so concerned with our 2nd amendment and why its any of your bees wax.


Maybe he is burdened with the need to educate his inferiors.

Now if only he could find some.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/20/2013 2:32:45 AM   
Focus50


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..........as am I to be born half a planet away..............

Focus.




That really makes me wonder why you're so concerned with our 2nd amendment and why its any of your bees wax.


Some say it's a public discussion board where all members are welcome to present an opinion.

One of us is used to living in a free country....

If only this had been posted in the "Paranoid & Defensive Americans Only" forum, I'd cede your point.

Focus.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/20/2013 2:45:24 AM   
Focus50


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That's a nice dance step, but facts remain facts.

Thanks for your input on our Constitution, though.


Lmao, there's facts and then there's your "facts".

Seem to recall your last specious link to the *alleged* violence in Aus got shot to bits.

My man...!

Focus.

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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/20/2013 4:30:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
That's a nice dance step, but facts remain facts.
Thanks for your input on our Constitution, though.

Lmao, there's facts and then there's your "facts".
Seem to recall your last specious link to the *alleged* violence in Aus got shot to bits.
My man...!
Focus.


Actually, they didn't get "shot to bits" (was this phrase an attempt at humor? I know I found it humorous that an anti-2nd Amendment guy would use that phrase. ). What was debunked was that gun crimes didn't rise. It's true that gun crimes went down and most others didn't change. The claim, however, stated that violent crime would rise. And, in case you missed it, I clearly showed, graphically, that your own government statistics support the truth that violent crimes have increased since 1996.

Violent crimes in the US are going down. Violent crimes Down Under are going up. Some like to claim that as gun ownership in the US has risen, crime rates have dropped and the opposite is occurring in Australia. While the numbers may show it, what can't be shown, is that the change in gun ownership is causing the change in crime rates.


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RE: Gun control - FAIL - 4/20/2013 5:26:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		sDon't you get it? If someone half a world away gets married to the gender or race of their choice, or listens to the music of their choice, or reads just any old book, or protects themselves in their own house, it does permanent and lasting harm to people who will never, ever meet them.

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..........as am I to be born half a planet away..............

Focus.




That really makes me wonder why you're so concerned with our 2nd amendment and why its any of your bees wax.



< Message edited by Powergamz1 -- 4/20/2013 5:27:11 AM >

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