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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
That's a nice dance step, but facts remain facts.
Thanks for your input on our Constitution, though.

Lmao, there's facts and then there's your "facts".
Seem to recall your last specious link to the *alleged* violence in Aus got shot to bits.
My man...!
Focus.

Actually, they didn't get "shot to bits" (was this phrase an attempt at humor? I know I found it humorous that an anti-2nd Amendment guy would use that phrase. ). What was debunked was that gun crimes didn't rise. It's true that gun crimes went down and most others didn't change. The claim, however, stated that violent crime would rise. And, in case you missed it, I clearly showed, graphically, that your own government statistics support the truth that violent crimes have increased since 1996.

Violent crimes in the US are going down. Violent crimes Down Under are going up. Some like to claim that as gun ownership in the US has risen, crime rates have dropped and the opposite is occurring in Australia. While the numbers may show it, what can't be shown, is that the change in gun ownership is causing the change in crime rates.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Pffft...!
Kirata cited Australian Government stats on violent crime and compared them with US government stats on violent crime. Turned out the respective governments had different definitions of what constitutes "violent crime". US doesn't include everything whereas Oz does - apples and oranges - but presto, we're the violent ones. Not that I've noticed in my 58 years, but anything to change the subject from guns, ay.
And no, I wasn't the one who "shot him to bits" (that time) nor posted any of the links. But hey, it was one of the gun threads so I'm sure you were there.
Focus.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Now, if only the bad guys would show ID before committing violence...

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So, Democrats claim
Voter ID laws
won't prevent
any voter fraud...

That's ironic,
considering they claim
universal background checks
will deter gun violence...

Ironic because
the facts
prove them wrong...
in both cases.

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You call Bloomberg sensible...I call him dictatorial. He changed the rules to allow himself another term as Mayor, and now he's coming down with regulations that are incredibly invasive. Restricting a person's ability to drink what they like, telling people which foods they can and cannot eat, and going so far as to threaten the salt industry to reduce sodium content in processed and pre-packaged foods.

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And since he's in charge of NYC instead of, say, Mayberry, these policies affect everybody.

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Including the roughly 305 million people who don't have any say in his government. Yes, he's powerful. But that power is gained and used in a way that shouldn't be acceptable, being that it's entirely non-democratic.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Okay, good start, now we need to get as many of the scum that voted "Yeah" out in the next election.

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This isn't over, we need to push harder and go for more. As long as Obama is POTUS and the Senate is a democrat majority, the Constitution isn't safe.

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Frankly as far as I'm concerned, Obama vies with Jimmy Carter as the *worst* president ever.

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Carter still wins since Carter overthrew the shah of Iran, which is, more or less, the root of most of our current problems.

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But Obama still has 3 years. Iran or South Korean (ooops) getting nukes could well let him claim the razzberry.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Carter did not overthrew the Shah of Iran, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini did.

But he did undermine the Shah so he couldn't hold power.

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I can't say what his views on soda are, but I can say with certainty that in my opinion my rights to "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness" trump your health care costs.

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Friend, we have two choices - fight them there or fight them here. And if you understood the bush doctrine you'd understand that dumb as he was bush knew more than you. Bush's choice was fight them there.

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And that is exactly why we can't have government in control of healthcare. If Jack Meoff wants to drown his kidneys in shit sugar water, then let the bastard. But, when you make it everyone else's problem to pay Jack's way, then you introduce the government almost having a duty to make sure the money isn't being wasted, that Jack no longer can be unhealthy.

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What's next? Mandatory exercise programs? You think soda is bad for you? How about all us couch potatoes?

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Don't forget that petulant guy with the magical belief that just because words come out of his mouth, they are the One True Way, and the highest form of "common sense."

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Any validation for this moronic statement?
Why are you in favor of the u.s. supporting a dictator?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You can't compare the US stats to the Oz stats, straight up, and Kirata wasn't....

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....but when you see the US trending down and Oz trending up, you can see that it isn't exactly true that fewer guns means fewer violent crimes.

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I know it wasn't you that attempted to rebut Kirata's claims before, but you certainly did fail all the same.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Heh. All you need now is an assistant and a rabbit. Actually, the way it "turns out" is that by your own definition the number of assaults and sexual assaults soared in your country after 1995 at rates far exceeding the rate of population growth.