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TheHeretic -> Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 7:23:16 PM)

It's all over except for the whining.

Washington Post: Gun-control overhaul is defeated in Senate

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President Obama’s ambitious effort to overhaul the nation’s gun laws in response to December’s school massacre in Connecticut suffered a resounding defeat Wednesday, when every major proposal he championed fell apart on the Senate floor.

It was a stunning collapse for gun control advocates just four months after the deaths of 20 children and six adults in Newtown led the president and many others to believe that the political climate on guns had been altered in their favor.





Kirata -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 7:36:15 PM)


But, but, but.... it had the support of the American people!

4% of Americans see gun-control as an important issue, down from 6% in February

K.




LizDeluxe -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 7:40:30 PM)

In his comments after the vote Obama complained that opponents of the measure "willfully lied' about it. I just don't get that. Each side has its own biased spin on these things. The document was posted and available for anyone to read according to its sponsors. It was right there in black and white. Sounds like the president needs to work on being a better sport. Oddly he was mute about all of the lies surrounding Obamacare.

Gun control legislation is a waste of time and resources. It won't go anywhere. Everyone on Capitol Hill remembers what happened in the 1994 mid term elections. None of them wants to be a casualty of that again by voting for any gun control measure. I honestly believe they don't even want to see it and wish Dianne Feinstein and others of her ilk would shut the hell up, already.

Did anyone really think this measure was going to pass the Senate?





JeffBC -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 7:53:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe
Gun control legislation is a waste of time and resources.

Oh I dunno. I suppose eventually pondering what to do with gun control might surface on my priority list. But it'd probably at some point after I dealt with wall street, government corruption, campaign finance reform, social safety nets, a fucked up economy, and a couple other little issues.




subrob1967 -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 8:05:58 PM)

This reminds me of the last election... Someone told our awesome President & Vice President some really bad polling data, and they poured their hearts and political capital into gun control. Kinda like the conservatives believing Romney would shred President Obama in last years election.





DomKen -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 8:23:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

This reminds me of the last election... Someone told our awesome President & Vice President some really bad polling data, and they poured their hearts and political capital into gun control. Kinda like the conservatives believing Romney would shred President Obama in last years election.

There's nothing wrong with this polling data unlike the obviously stupid shit you bought into last fall.

When asked 90% of Americans say they are in favor of universal background checks for all transfers of firearms. That does not mean they consider it their highest priority.




Edwynn -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 8:34:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's all over except for the whining.

Washington Post: Gun-control overhaul is defeated in Senate

quote:

President Obama’s ambitious effort to overhaul the nation’s gun laws in response to December’s school massacre in Connecticut suffered a resounding defeat Wednesday, when every major proposal he championed fell apart on the Senate floor.

It was a stunning collapse for gun control advocates just four months after the deaths of 20 children and six adults in Newtown led the president and many others to believe that the political climate on guns had been altered in their favor.






heavily armed nut cases take precedence over a classroom of dead six yr. olds.

I have never been so proud of my country.

Let freedom ring.









Kirata -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 8:43:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

Did anyone really think this measure was going to pass the Senate?

This measure, no. But the problem isn't with gun-control, it's with the poorly conceived proposals that pass for it, pushed by hypocrites like Bloomberg, who doesn't even go the bathroom without armed bodyguards, and supported by raving idiots who believe that guns are imbued with EVIL.

K.




TheHeretic -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/17/2013 8:54:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


heavily armed nut cases take precedence over a classroom of dead six yr. olds.

I have never been so proud of my country.

Let freedom ring.




I know an excellent therapy for those political events that just leave you feeling frustrated as hell.

Take a few old television sets out to an abandoned quarry, or an appropriate and safe spot in the middle of nowhere, stack them up, pull the magazine plug, and blow them to smithereens with your pump action 12 guage riot gun. A big old console job can take a lot of hits. Then pack out your trash, and get on with life.

[:D]




joether -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 1:18:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
This measure, no. But the problem isn't with gun-control, it's with the poorly conceived proposals that pass for it, pushed by hypocrites like Bloomberg, who doesn't even go the bathroom without armed bodyguards, and supported by raving idiots who believe that guns are imbued with EVIL.


When a very sizable percentage of the nation wants something, one would think the nation's government would understand that failing to perform will result in their jobs being given to someone else. Universal background checks are supported by just about everyone except the NRA Zombies! The problem is not gun control so much as its Congress trying hard to lower their approval rating into the single digits before summer arrives! If the US Congress were a company, it would have won hands down on the Consumertist's 'Company March Madness' (and there by saving EA Games from winning the title twice in a row!). In fact, would be the reigning champion for the next decade!

Mr. Bloomberg is not so much a hypocrite as being sensible. Lets be fair for a moment, he's a pretty rich man. #13 on Forbes Magazine's richest men in the world (and #7 in the USA). he's believed to be the 16th most powerful man in the world, not to mention #10 in the Forbes 400. So that there would be a lot of competition for any of those spots. Not everyone will try for those positions by legal and legitimate manners. Perhaps he believes that only certain professions that could be well regulated and behave in a militia like format to have access to firearms. An while guns do not have an alignment towards 'Law/Chaos' or 'Good/Evil', it is wise to only allow those whom will use firearms correctly and safely to have access to them. Hence, why gun laws are created by society. Just like any other device or technology that when used for deadly reasons is very lethal. Might be why no one American can by nuclear weapons in the country, eh?




BamaD -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 1:23:08 AM)

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Universal background checks are supported by just about everyone except the NRA Zombies


You obviously missed it when the ACLU also came out against them.

Mr Bloomberg thinks he is so much better than us that he can even decide how much soda we can have,




DaddySatyr -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 1:32:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Universal background checks are supported by just about everyone except the NRA Zombies


You obviously missed it when the ACLU also came out against them.

Mr Bloomberg thinks he is so much better than us that he can even decide how much soda we can have,


Some people seem to keep forgetting that Bloompuss was a Democrat that switched parties, specifically to run for Mayor of NYC. So, of course he knows what's best for us whether we think it's good for us or not; just like uncle Barry.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Hillwilliam -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 6:41:05 AM)

I must say these gun control threads are so much nicer and more literate without all the smelly socks hanging around polluting the place.

As much as I disagree with her at times, y'all need to send Chi a nice thank you note for some spring cleaning she did.




Yachtie -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 7:25:01 AM)

I love gun control. Taking out the center of the target is awesome feeling.[:D]




muhly22222 -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 7:54:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
This measure, no. But the problem isn't with gun-control, it's with the poorly conceived proposals that pass for it, pushed by hypocrites like Bloomberg, who doesn't even go the bathroom without armed bodyguards, and supported by raving idiots who believe that guns are imbued with EVIL.


When a very sizable percentage of the nation wants something, one would think the nation's government would understand that failing to perform will result in their jobs being given to someone else. Universal background checks are supported by just about everyone except the NRA Zombies! The problem is not gun control so much as its Congress trying hard to lower their approval rating into the single digits before summer arrives! If the US Congress were a company, it would have won hands down on the Consumertist's 'Company March Madness' (and there by saving EA Games from winning the title twice in a row!). In fact, would be the reigning champion for the next decade!

Mr. Bloomberg is not so much a hypocrite as being sensible. Lets be fair for a moment, he's a pretty rich man. #13 on Forbes Magazine's richest men in the world (and #7 in the USA). he's believed to be the 16th most powerful man in the world, not to mention #10 in the Forbes 400. So that there would be a lot of competition for any of those spots. Not everyone will try for those positions by legal and legitimate manners. Perhaps he believes that only certain professions that could be well regulated and behave in a militia like format to have access to firearms. An while guns do not have an alignment towards 'Law/Chaos' or 'Good/Evil', it is wise to only allow those whom will use firearms correctly and safely to have access to them. Hence, why gun laws are created by society. Just like any other device or technology that when used for deadly reasons is very lethal. Might be why no one American can by nuclear weapons in the country, eh?


Why do you call them "NRA Zombies"? It's easy to dismiss somebody with a viewpoint different from your own, but if you do that, you're not really considering all the issues. Like it or not, the NRA has a huge membership (which represents a fraction of the people who agree with them), and the NRA is vocal. When you combine the two, the NRA is a political force, much like the AFL-CIO or the NEA, for instance. It just happens to be on the opposite side of the aisle.

As far as Congress realizing that if they don't do what the vast majority of people want them to do, they'll lose their job...it hasn't happened yet. It's not like Congress is suddenly this huge, unresponsive body...it's been that way for decades. When was the last time the legislature set the national debate? Henry Clay (hyperbole)? If Congresspeople actually started losing their seats (more than a couple each election cycle), I would agree with you. In any given year, there are only a few districts that are in play...otherwise the incumbent (or at least the individual who won the primary) is in without a sweat. For instance, I don't think my US Rep, Jim Jordan, even puts much work into campaigning, and why would he, when he's going to win with 75% of the vote anyway?

You call Bloomberg sensible...I call him dictatorial. He changed the rules to allow himself another term as Mayor, and now he's coming down with regulations that are incredibly invasive. Restricting a person's ability to drink what they like, telling people which foods they can and cannot eat, and going so far as to threaten the salt industry to reduce sodium content in processed and pre-packaged foods. And since he's in charge of NYC instead of, say, Mayberry, these policies affect everybody. Including the roughly 305 million people who don't have any say in his government. Yes, he's powerful. But that power is gained and used in a way that shouldn't be acceptable, being that it's entirely non-democratic.




TricklessMagic -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 8:06:33 AM)

Okay, good start, now we need to get as many of the scum that voted "Yeah" out in the next election. This isn't over, we need to push harder and go for more. As long as Obama is POTUS and the Senate is a democrat majority, the Constitution isn't safe. Barry has three more years. We can pickup at least six seats in the next election.

I frigging regret voting for Nelson, I'm glad I voted for Rubio. I will never vote for a Democrat again unless they are strongly pro-RKBA.

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Owner59 -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 8:16:24 AM)

You cons dance well.....on graves.




Phydeaux -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 8:23:06 AM)

Political Fact #1: Large numbers of motivated voters who contribute count way more than huge numbers of apathetic multi-issue voters.

Democrat voters will vote democrat regardless of gun control.
However, NRA will get you fired if you're moderate/conservative and touch gun control.

Political Fact #2: Any Press is good press. Call it the WC Fields rule. Bloomberg made up a stupid rule regarding softdrinks and it dominated conversation for months. It predictably failed - but its dominated the talk circles for weeks. Fundamentally, its a non-issue that doesn't change anyone's opinion, but keeps your name in the spot light.

Political Fact #3: Sure, congress collectively has an abysmal rating. Irrelevent. "Congress" is not elected by its approval ratings. Individual members are elected from districts, and if you study the polls they almost universally showed that the american public believe "congress" is horrible, but they are generally satisfied with "their" congressman. Will this change in the next election? I sure as heck hope so.

Frankly as far as I'm concerned, Obama vies with Jimmy Carter as the *worst* president ever. Carter still wins since Carter overthrew the shah of Iran, which is, more or less, the root of most of our current problems. But Obama still has 3 years. Iran or South Korean (ooops) getting nukes could well let him claim the razzberry.

Macaulife's selling visa's to democratic contributors, Obamacare, wrecking the economy, cash for clunkers, (ie., just destroying $100billion), gun control. Choosing to lose the war in afghanistan

But hey! We got Bin Laden!




Owner59 -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 8:31:19 AM)

We can`t even keep those on the terror watch list from buying firearms.....thanks to the nra-gop-lunatic fringe.....






Phydeaux -> RE: Gun control - FAIL (4/18/2013 8:49:13 AM)

No, it has nothing to do with the NRA, the GOP, or a lunatic fringe.

I suspect if Libs tried to pass that law, (without turning in into an 1800 page monstrosity that was an omnibus for .. well.. everything).. it would pass.

There is, however, the (small) matter of constitutionality of it all. The people on the watch list in many cases have committed no crimes. They've been seen by no court. So before you bash 'cons' so much perhaps look at the fact that this is a constitutional right. And before you so blithely advocated removing constitutional liberties, recall that your first amendment or second amendment rights are also constitutional rights, equally subject to abridgement.




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