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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Whether or not I'm in favor of a person being fat or not, isn't of any real concern.

I said unhealthy not fat[/b

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The point is that if a person freely makes lifestyle choices that result in him/her being fat, then I have no problem with that person being fat. It's not up to me.

I did not ask you if you were in favor of free choice I asked you if you were in favor of people being unhealthy. Why is that such a difficult question for you to answer?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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It all comes down to whether or not the people are smart enough or know enough to be able to take part in the election of their own leader. I mean, we have to make sure they elect the right person, don't we?

The elections in Iran were as open and free as those in the Soviet Union.

The elections in the soviet union were as open and free as in the u.s.

So you would be BFF with Stalin since they were as free as we were?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Whether or not I'm in favor of a person being fat or not, isn't of any real concern.

I said unhealthy not fat[/b

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The point is that if a person freely makes lifestyle choices that result in him/her being fat, then I have no problem with that person being fat. It's not up to me.

I did not ask you if you were in favor of free choice I asked you if you were in favor of people being unhealthy. Why is that such a difficult question for you to answer?

I can only answer it for myself, personally, which doesn't matter in this discussion.

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t's within a person's freedoms to choose his/her own path, provided it doesn't infringe on that same freedom for someone else.

I will keep that in mind the next time I want to ask you what you feel about free choice.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So the crux of the matter is that the govt., fulfilling one of their two lawful functions...the protection of the citizen from force and fraud runs afoul of your desire to justify the fraud of korporate amerika. I ask you simply if you are in favor of unhealthy people and you find yourself without an answer...how typical.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So the crux of the matter is that the govt., fulfilling one of their two lawful functions...the protection of the citizen from force and fraud runs afoul of your desire to justify the fraud of korporate amerika. I ask you simply if you are in favor of unhealthy people and you find yourself without an answer...how typical.

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I have an answer. You just don't accept it.

You answered "your" question not mine. I asked if you were in favor of people being unhealthy. You came back with a bunch of rhetorical bullshit about freedom of choice. You clearly are not willing to address the question because the answer does not fit with your stated beliefs. How can you be in favor of of letting a korporate gangster poison your fellow americans only because there is no law against it? What bloomberg was proposing was for the government to protect the citizen from the fraud that heavely sweetened drinks are healthy and not harmful.
You seem to feel that korporate amerika has a right to fuck over anyone they can afford to fuck over and that no law should be made to stop that sort of asshole behaviour.

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That's not my issue. And, at no point in time have I ever tried to justify the fraud of Corporate America. Not sure where you get the idea to leap to that conclusion, but I'm sure it was scientific.

This whole serries of post is nothing but an aattempt on your part to justify korporate fraud

(in reply to DesideriScuri)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So the crux of the matter is that the govt., fulfilling one of their two lawful functions...the protection of the citizen from force and fraud runs afoul of your desire to justify the fraud of korporate amerika. I ask you simply if you are in favor of unhealthy people and you find yourself without an answer...how typical.

I have an answer. You just don't accept it.

You answered "your" question not mine. I asked if you were in favor of people being unhealthy. You came back with a bunch of rhetorical bullshit about freedom of choice. You clearly are not willing to address the question because the answer does not fit with your stated beliefs. How can you be in favor of of letting a korporate gangster poison your fellow americans only because there is no law against it? What bloomberg was proposing was for the government to protect the citizen from the fraud that heavely sweetened drinks are healthy and not harmful.

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You seem to feel that korporate amerika has a right to fuck over anyone they can afford to fuck over and that no law should be made to stop that sort of asshole behaviour.

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That's not my issue. And, at no point in time have I ever tried to justify the fraud of Corporate America. Not sure where you get the idea to leap to that conclusion, but I'm sure it was scientific.

This whole serries of post is nothing but an aattempt on your part to justify korporate fraud

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Heh. All you need now is an assistant and a rabbit. Actually, the way it "turns out" is that by your own definition the number of assaults and sexual assaults soared in your country after 1995 at rates far exceeding the rate of population growth.

As much as I usually enjoy engaging you for a few posts until you inevitably stub your toe on your own tonsils, the novelty is wearing off.

Well be sure to let me know if the novelty comes back. I'm always happy to give someone an opportunity to pretend that they've made a point by ignoring one they can't refute.

Good news, I'm baaaack....!

At your instigation, even took the time to trawl through the entire thread looking for those magic beans (you like magic analogies) that I apparently "can't refute".

Since I couldn't find any such link, maybe I just missed it - so a little help, please?

Orrrr, you weren't intending me to just take your word again, after how well that worked out in the last gun thread ("Gun control and Tragedies"?), where I (foolishly) said "I'll take your word for the source."??? Sheesh, give a bloke some credit...!

'Cause I'm pretty sure that's the thread where tazzy (or maybe tweakabelle?) shot holes in your specious claims originally - that the Oz government statisticians, as compared to gun-happy USA's, have a very different definition of what constitutes "violent crime".

Now, if you're really making the point you claim, then show us all a comparison where *both* countries respective (per capita) "violent crime" stats are compiled under the same criteria.

Focus.

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The fall of the Shah led directly to the taking of the tehran embassy (twice) The radicals who ruled the "democraticaly elected" government led to the jihadest movement.

Keep in mind that the elected candidates were hand picked by anti American radicals.

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You are the one who feels the necessity to be bff with the lesser of two evils not me.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

That is pretty much the opposite of what happened, Dr. Massadegh was a reformer not an Islamist.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD




The fall of the Shah led directly to the taking of the tehran embassy (twice) The radicals who ruled the "democraticaly elected" government led to the jihadest movement.

Keep in mind that the elected candidates were hand picked by anti American radicals.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

That is pretty much the opposite of what happened, Dr. Massadegh was a reformer not an Islamist.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD




The fall of the Shah led directly to the taking of the tehran embassy (twice) The radicals who ruled the "democraticaly elected" government led to the jihadest movement.

Keep in mind that the elected candidates were hand picked by anti American radicals.

And it was not the good Dr who ended up on power now was it.
He rode in on the wave of Islamic fundamentalism and by the end of 77 at the time of the first takeover of the Tehran embassy the radicals were in charge.

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Not on this planet.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Carter overthrew the shah of Iran, which is, more or less, the root of most of our current problems.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
He {Mosaddegh, 1951-1953} rode in on the wave of Islamic fundamentalism ...

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On an unrelated note

For people who want to know about Iran and its history in the XX century, I recommend all the comic books of Marjane Satrapi (Persia 1969-), particularly both volumes of "Persepolis".

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You are the one who feels the necessity to be bff with the lesser of two evils not me.

(in reply to BamaD)

WRONG I said choose between two evils, never said a thing about being great friends.
BIG difference.

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You on the other hand implied a moral equivelace between the U S and Stalin.

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There are an awful lot of things I am in favor of that have absolutely no bearing (and shouldn't) on anyone else. What is the point of knowing my wants regarding the health of people?

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I don't want anyone to be unhealthy.

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There are an awful lot of things I am in favor of that have absolutely no bearing (and shouldn't) on anyone else. What is the point of knowing my wants regarding the health of people? I don't want anyone to be unhealthy. I don't want anyone to die from anything other than natural causes. I don't want anyone to shoot anyone else.

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I don't want people to be stupid. I don't want kids to not have breakfast. I don't want schools to suck.

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Why does my opinion matter that much to you?

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How many people in the world don't know that heavily sweetened drinks are not healthy?

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And, you're going to claim that 16 oz. of a heavily sweetened drink somehow is healthy?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Not on this planet.

So Iran is run by reformers and their developement of nucular weapons, not to mentions the calls for genocide and the twoo captures of the American embassy are fiction. The world is a better place with Islamic fundementalist in charge?

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There are an awful lot of things I am in favor of that have absolutely no bearing (and shouldn't) on anyone else. What is the point of knowing my wants regarding the health of people?

It has meaning within the context of this discussion. If you choose to be part of this discussion then it is necessary for you to address the issues of the discussion.

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I don't want anyone to be unhealthy.

Thank you. If you are in favor of healthy people and it is obvious that the only information easily available about the nutritional value of these drinks comes from the manufacturers of the drinks and it is also provable that the information is not oly misleading but in some cases less than factual. This constitutes a fraud on the consumer. The government has a rightful function to protect their constituants from force and fraud.

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There are an awful lot of things I am in favor of that have absolutely no bearing (and shouldn't) on anyone else. What is the point of knowing my wants regarding the health of people? I don't want anyone to be unhealthy. I don't want anyone to die from anything other than natural causes. I don't want anyone to shoot anyone else.

That would be one of your wants that the government has made some laws about...as it rightly should.

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I don't want people to be stupid. I don't want kids to not have breakfast. I don't want schools to suck.

Another one of your wants that the government is addressing

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Why does my opinion matter that much to you?

So that you can see that you are arguing against your stated opinion.

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How many people in the world don't know that heavily sweetened drinks are not healthy?

Based on the number of sales it would seem that not many people do know.

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And, you're going to claim that 16 oz. of a heavily sweetened drink somehow is healthy?

I have never said that

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• Are you implying that 16 oz. of a heavily sweetened drink somehow is healthy?

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Thank you. If you are in favor of healthy people and it is obvious that the only information easily available about the nutritional value of these drinks comes from the manufacturers of the drinks and it is also provable that the information is not only misleading but in some cases less than factual. This constitutes a fraud on the consumer. The government has a rightful function to protect their constituants from force and fraud.

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Show me the "force and fraud," please. If you can't/won't, the stfu about it.

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And this is exactly why my opinion doesn't matter at all. It doesn't matter that I want this or that or the other thing for other people. I don't get to make those decisions, and government shouldn't, either. Thus, my belief in an "individual's right to self-determine" trumps what I want for them. The same as my right to self-determination trumps what you or anyone else wants for me.

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Really? Are people that ignorant, or are they just stupid? It's got to be one or the other. Are there still people in the US that haven't been told of the risks of cigarette smoking? Consuming large quantities of alcoholic beverages? Bungee Jumping? Etc.? Fast Food? Yet, we allow those things, don't we?

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And, that choice is up to them. And, they should deal with whatever consequences that entails.