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it expresses support for the opposing side that engages in terrorism by calling tha justified military pursuit of terrorists terrorism & putting obama on tha same moral plain as osama bin laden.
1. Defining the means being used as unacceptable doesn't imply defining the goals as undesireable.
2. I disagree with your assessment that the justifiable, legitimate military targets you pursue are being pursued in a justifiable manner, and assert that the means you are employing are de facto terrorism.
3. BHO and OBL both chose to engage in what I contend is terrorism, in pursuit of their respective goals. That puts them both on the wrong side of the line.
in effect ya suggest bin ladens as bad as obama. terrorism aint anything ya wish it to be to propagandize against enemies.
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there will be no retraction & there was no projection. ya do it & ya know ya do it. i looked back a little & heres 1 example where ya justify pizza parlour attacks if nothing else is available to hit http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4317127
Let's not complicate this with apples to oranges comparisons. The Israel-Palestine situation is a mutually genocidal war in which the military value of attirition is absolute, the support of the Israeli population for the conflict is near absolute, and a good argument can be made that the entire civilian population of Israel is in occupation of Palestinian territories, making that an insurgency (or, more accurately, class/ethnic warfare/revolution). To boot, the asymmetry there is one more along the lines of "frequent bomb threats with occasional deaths" versus "frequent bombings with high lethality".
Simply put, there is no parallell to the sort of terrorism we've been discussing here.
nah lets complicate away. yr claim its a mutually genocidal war aint tha case & tha big majority of tha israeli folks support a 2 state solution unlike tha pallys. ya blame one side over tha other & ya plainly justified tha killing of 15 civilians. in fact ya justified tha killing of all jews there coz they are supposedly complicit in tha "occupation". dude thats kinda bad.
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I'm not concerned with offense, mine or yours, nor do I intend any.
I'm concerned with accurate perception and portrayal of views; you're misrepresenting my opinions.
And, again, I don't support the sort of terrorism we were discussing here. Insurgency under occupation is a quite different matter (though usually still terrorism, just a different sort). There, too, targetting civilians is the last resort, but ultimately tolerable, as a matter of survival and/or territorial sovereignty, neither of which are comparable to e.g. the Boston marathon bombings.
so ya admit ya support the pally attacks on israeli civilies? if ya do then ya must support attacks on US soil too coz their ideologically similar (islamist) & theres not much of a gap between pals hitting israel & islamists hitting tha US if tha US is occupying r controlling their world.
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nonsense. ya said tha west was exactly tha same as tha terrorists not just in some "areas".
Yes. We're human beings. With human characteristics. In that respect, we're exactly the same in different situations.
Then I broke it down into greater detail, which apparently confused some readers.
well dude ya changed yr stance. human character varies & si not tha same in different situations but what ya said was that tha judgemental attitude bout tha boston butchers meant folks saying those things would easily b terrorists too.
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nah. more strawmanning. theses little talk of "pointless vengence". i talked about just punishment & trying to understand it.
Don't be so literal. The point is the problem solving approach. If I were to set out to punish everyone that ever did me wrong, I would need a fuckin' nuke. It's not constructive, and essentially amounts to pointless vengeance, no matter how carefully you mete it out. As a goal, it is worthless. As a means, it can sometimes be a useful part of a greater whole. But for dealing with enemies, we're back to it being worthless.
vengence aint any sorta issue in american foreign policy so i consider yr bringing it up as a strawman.
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Quite apart from the fact that I'm not saying they don't have options, how is that legitimization?
it is when they do have choices like ds was saying.
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ya also mix up terrorism wit folks fighting tha nazis where effort sto fight were justified.
The Norwegian resistance movement was, at the time, under international and national law, terrorism. The methods, as noted in the post you linked, at times included targetting civilians and attacking targets that would necessarily result in high auxillary casualties. Justified, yes, but principally because it was insurgency, which as a situation isn't comparable to that of Boston, for instance.
please give a citation tha norwegians targeted civilians uninvolved wit tha nazis. i cannot find much about that tho my knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_resistance_movement#Armed_resistance of norway is lacking.
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ya even called folks like kd bigots when they said tha boston bombing might have been by muslims.
Yeah, I went too far in that, agreed. The point itself was valid (i.e. that it shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to jump to the conclusion that "muslims did it" whenever something goes wrong, especially not when it lacks all the usual signatures and the target selection is off)
how is there a knee jerk reaction in saying tha bombers might be muslims? he didnt claim a fact just a possibility. i didnt see ya say tha same bout tha claims it was right wing extremist folks & plenty here on cm said that too.
is there a word in norwegian for brevity coz it would b good if tha posts were shorter.
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