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The kids themselves didn't say they did it casue of manson, religious wackos here tried to blame it on manson. I was in high school then, in the same town here in CO, one of the victims was a classmate in grammar school of mine, I am all too aware of what happened. The religious hand ringing was despicable.....I am pointing out that this kid in Boston claimed it was religious zeal, therefor there might be something to be said for that.

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The kids themselves didn't say they did it casue of manson, religious wackos here tried to blame it on manson. I was in high school then, in the same town here in CO, one of the victims was a classmate in grammar school of mine, I am all too aware of what happened. The religious hand ringing was despicable.....I am pointing out that this kid in Boston claimed it was religious zeal, therefor there might be something to be said for that.

Therefor all acts of violent wackiness are religeous-based, then.

Because there is "something to be said" for such unthinking accusation.

Stalin and Hitler, among others, would demonstrate otherwise, and the OP well pointed out otherwise to begin with.

We can't blame it all on guns (just as we can't say that limitless guns to wackos represents 'freedom'), but we can't limit all insane violence to religious wackos either.

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How do you eliminate terrorism when your existence is part of the reason you are being terrorized?

The reasons the USA is under threat are related to its actions, not its existence.

Wasn't limiting my question to the US, tweak. What actions is the US taking that makes terrorism an acceptable reaction?

I have never said terrorism is an "acceptable reaction". I am saying that there are real political conditions that cause it, and if you are serious about wanting to stop it, then those conditions have to be understood and addressed. Common sense really

You are saying it right there that terrorism is an acceptable reaction. Real political conditions exist that cause it [terrorism]. To stop it [terrorism], those [political] conditions have to be addressed. What you are saying is that those that commit terrorist have no choice in the matter. You are saying that political conditions are the cause. At no time are you saying the ones carrying out the terrorist actions need to shoulder blame. That means, terrorism is an acceptable reaction to the real political conditions that do exist.

Trying to make some sense from that gibberish, it appears you are claiming to know more about what I am saying than I do. If that is the case, there's no need for me to say anything more is there? You already know whatever it is I might be going to say don't you?

Show me where I was wrong, then, tweak.

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I pointed out that terrorism occurs for real easily identifiable reasons. That is a million miles removed from any kind of approval for something I had just described as "atrocities". I also pointed out that terrorist attacks don't necessarily have to make sense to any one but the terrorists and the constituency they spring from. There's nothing original or particularly insightful or even controversial about these remarks, they will be found in serious analysis of asymmetrical warfare most likely on page 1, Chapter 1.

If people are uninterested in understanding why terrorism happens, then whatever response to terrorism they choose to adopt is likely to be as much of a fiasco, and as utterly unsuccessful as the invasion of Iraq was.

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Repression is usually the first response by the State to any challenge to its monopoly on political violence.

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Terrorism is not something that people, religious or otherwise, randomly pick. Where terrorism is prevalent, there exist easily identifiable social and political reasons for its existence, the most common of these is that the community with which the terrorist or terrorist group identifies is under attack from outside malignant forces...

It doesn't matter whether these analyses and solutions make sense to outsiders, there is no need for them to do so. All that matters is that they make sense to the aggrieved parties.

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Wasn't limiting my question to the US, tweak. What actions is the US taking that makes terrorism an acceptable reaction?

I didn't see anything in tweaks response saying that she considered the reaction acceptable, just that she considered it to be a reaction.

True, but she intimates that the reaction is somehow justifiable.

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The kids themselves didn't say they did it casue of manson, religious wackos here tried to blame it on manson. I was in high school then, in the same town here in CO, one of the victims was a classmate in grammar school of mine, I am all too aware of what happened. The religious hand ringing was despicable.....I am pointing out that this kid in Boston claimed it was religious zeal, therefor there might be something to be said for that.

Therefor all acts of violent wackiness are religeous-based, then.

Because there is "something to be said" for such unthinking accusation.

Stalin and Hitler, among others, would demonstrate otherwise, and the OP well pointed out otherwise to begin with.

We can't blame it all on guns (just as we can't say that limitless guns to wackos represents 'freedom'), but we can't limit all insane violence to religious wackos either.

where does fc suggest all violence is religious coz all i can see is him sayin' religion "might" be a cause at boston.

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~FR~

The brothers Tsarnaev represent Islam about as much as Eric Rudolph represents Christianity.

Think about it.

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ya also need toknow tha reaction to iraq was not over terrorism. only afghanistan was after tha taliban were abetting his evasion from capture & refused to hand been-leaded over.

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The invasion of Iraq was very much a response to 9/11 attacks on the Trade Towers, albeit a misguided and disingenuous one.

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The kids themselves didn't say they did it casue of manson, religious wackos here tried to blame it on manson. I was in high school then, in the same town here in CO, one of the victims was a classmate in grammar school of mine, I am all too aware of what happened. The religious hand ringing was despicable.....I am pointing out that this kid in Boston claimed it was religious zeal, therefor there might be something to be said for that.

Therefor all acts of violent wackiness are religeous-based, then.

Because there is "something to be said" for such unthinking accusation.

Stalin and Hitler, among others, would demonstrate otherwise, and the OP well pointed out otherwise to begin with.

We can't blame it all on guns (just as we can't say that limitless guns to wackos represents 'freedom'), but we can't limit all insane violence to religious wackos either.

where does fc suggest all violence is religious coz all i can see is him sayin' religion "might" be a cause at boston.

I was taking the ridiculous notion that the Boston bombing was in any way 'religiously' based to the logical extension proposed there.

These were nut cases, plain and simple, some particular malinterpretation of whatever religion being the drug of choice in this particular instance. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the faith of Islam itself in this case.

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The brothers Tsarnaev represent Islam about as much as Eric Rudolph represents Christianity.

Think about it.

Pay attention to the "think about it" part.

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Thank you for your participation.

PS

Learn to speak like a non-thirteen year-old, that would help a lot of things. As ye speak, so you train the mind in every other way. It shows.

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The bombing wasn't even the least bit politically based in any real way, either, so all the implication of any higher notion or other motive being bandied about are off the table also.

The older brother was a nut case and dragged his limp-minded younger brother along for the ride.

There is lots of honest discussion to be had about the help vs. harm of various religions, lots of good discussion to be had about political decisions, actions, repercussions, etc.

There is plausibility in the 'chickens coming home to roost' aspect of this case, but that is because of the great instability engendered by the actions of the superpower du jour, which excites the passions of nut cases around the world who have no capacity whatsoever to even attempt any sane interpretation of any religion or political philosophy at all, just damaged brains that easily adapt to the most virulent and violent shouting.

We have Rush Limbaugh et al. for that in the US.

Seems to work quite well, in a variety of cultures.

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ya also need toknow tha reaction to iraq was not over terrorism. only afghanistan was after tha taliban were abetting his evasion from capture & refused to hand been-leaded over.

Not so. The invasion of Iraq was very much a response to 9/11 attacks on the Trade Towers, albeit a misguided and disingenuous one. The Bushies used the post Trade Tower hysteria to propel us into an unnecesary and repugnant war. Every attempt was made to link Saddam to the terror in NYC and to expand his role into a nuclear threat.

Furthemore, as seen from the eyes of the 'terrorists' it was a continuatioan of their principle grievence that the Christian West was attacking Muslim nations. Which incidently is being played out again with our threats against Syria and Iran. The 'Fix' is for us to withdraw and leave the nations of the ME to sort it out for themselves. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen so keep your eyes peeled for abandoned packages in shopping malls and transportation hubs.

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yashure, wutevrusay.

sory ifi dstrbed yu ur anything.

Maix purfict cents, all of itt.

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I'm just trying to point out that one can use any excuse he wants to commit any sort of stupidity, even or especially violent stupidity.

Please read the edit of earlier post.

TY for your patience, of which I seem to be in short supply this day.

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Sorry to belabor the point, but the religion of choice in this case was/is as much to blame as the manufacturers of the pressure cookers used for the bombs. And conversely.

A nut case is free to chose whatever tools he wishes, both mentally and materially.

Thus spake St. Eric Rudolph.


Otherwise, the proposition is that any and all who visit a mosque, church, or temple (or use a rice steamer) are bomb throwers in waiting.