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FrostedFlake -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 5:09:30 PM)


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18 anti gay organizations. 2010, Southern Poverty Law Center


You made some good points, but using the Southern Poverty Law Center as a reference was a gaffe. The Westboro Baptist Church concentrates on hating gays; the SPLC hates pretty much everybody, and has no problem inventing imaginary groups to hate when they get bored. Take a good look at their web site; you probably fit into more than one group they hate...

The work I have noted them doing has been good. Probably, strike that, possibly because I have noted them only when I have found them at my shoulder. In light of your comment, I will cock an ear in the indicated direction and see what is carried by the breeze.

Thank you.




cordeliasub -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 5:27:47 PM)

Living in a redneck tiny town, I cannot tell you how many people just assume that every man who is gay must be some parody of Nathan Lane in The BIrdcage (not that there's anything wrong with that at all). If this guy can start showing ignorant people that being gay doesn't mean you "have" to automatically be this way or that way more power to him. No one should feel like they have to hide themselves just because "I'm an athlete" or "I'm a politician" or "I'm a schoolteacher."




njlauren -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 7:03:42 PM)


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One of the biggest reasons for coming out is probably why the OP is upset about it


Why do you think I'm upset about it?

I screwed up and I owe you an apology, my comments were not aim at you, it was at searching4mysir and everyone else who complains about why did he have to come out about what he does in the bedroom, reducing being gay to like being into foot worship *sigh*..I sincerely apologize to you, all I can plead is senility.




njlauren -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 7:08:15 PM)

The onion as always came up with a humerous spin on a serious story. In their 'article' Charles Barkley says that it wasn't any big surprise, that there were only 3 straight players in the history of the NBA, himself and two of his teammates, and everyone else was gay (with riffs on all these players)...

Though I found it funny that when an nba player last year made some severely homophobic remarks, Meta Work Peace (aka Ron Artest), the guy who once was involved in a brawl on the court and then went into the stands after fans, came out in support of same sex marriage..go figure *lol*.




Level -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 7:44:05 PM)

Lauren, no need to apologize, I just didn't want anyone thinking I was against what Collins did.




DesFIP -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 7:56:15 PM)

Superbly articulate statement. It's just such a shame that he's tried to hide from himself for so long.

As far as why someone like this needs to stand up and say it, let us just say that being female and liking men rarely gets you arrested. Prior to Stonewall, walking down the streets hand in hand with a same sex partner did just that.

And even today, the rates of suicide of gay teens is still much higher than the rates of suicide of straight teens. Which is already too high.

Perhaps having someone of his stature be open will prevent a child somewhere from killing themselves in despair about their sexuality.




njlauren -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 8:22:41 PM)


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Superbly articulate statement. It's just such a shame that he's tried to hide from himself for so long.

As far as why someone like this needs to stand up and say it, let us just say that being female and liking men rarely gets you arrested. Prior to Stonewall, walking down the streets hand in hand with a same sex partner did just that.

And even today, the rates of suicide of gay teens is still much higher than the rates of suicide of straight teens. Which is already too high.

Perhaps having someone of his stature be open will prevent a child somewhere from killing themselves in despair about their sexuality.

Amen. We hear about when young people kill themselves over being bullied on the net/facebook and so forth, but the reality is that LGBT youth commit suicide at rates several magnitudes above the norms for their groups, they are much, much likely to be attacked physically, and sadly, are statistically at higher risk of having their parents throw them out on the street. When guys like Collins come out, it makes a big difference. I did some outreach work with groups that tried to help LGBT youth, I visited shelters for kids with nowhere to go, and the stories were heartrending. I saw a lot of kids from the bible belt, and it was unconscionable the stories I hear, supposedly 'Christian' parents and their fucking preachers telling the parents it is their duty to cast out evil and the like......still makes my blood boil, and being a parent myself, I don't understand that at all.

I think the most touching thing was the time an Episcopal Bishop (a dear, sweet man) came to visit the kids at the shelter, and the looks on their faces when he did the simple thing of blessing them and calling them brothers and sisters..it was the first time in their life they ever heard someone telling them they were loved (personally, I think they liked the Bishop's jokes even more, funny guy;).

I really, really get angry when I hear blacks going off on this, about gays in general, how it isn't civil rights. It is funny how fast they forget what went on, despite a movie like "42" being out there, that told just how much Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball meant, how that shaped a large part of the civil rights movement to come, and the point is it is exactly the same thing. People saw Robinson play the game the way he did and they realized he was a human being who happened to be black who could play the game as good or better than almost anyone else, and it changed attitudes (that, and the players that followed). Plus he gave hope to black kids who maybe for the first time saw someone who was black being respected for something.....hope is a powerful thing. No, Robinson didn't solve the problems with race, and a 34 year old journeyman NBA player is not going to solve homophobia. But each person out there changes perceptions, Will and Grace and Modern Family are silly comedies, but they did a lot, as did the many nameless and faceless people who came out.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (4/30/2013 10:41:04 PM)

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NJLauren
We hear about when young people kill themselves over being bullied on the net/facebook and so forth, but the reality is that LGBT youth commit suicide at rates several magnitudes above the norms for their groups, they are much, much likely to be attacked physically, and sadly, are statistically at higher risk of having their parents throw them out on the street.


Alan Turing.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/609739/Alan-M-Turing

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During 1939 and the spring of 1940, Turing and others designed a radically different code-breaking machine known as the Bombe. Turing’s ingenious Bombes kept the Allies supplied with intelligence for the remainder of the war. By early 1942 the Bletchley Park cryptanalysts were decoding about 39,000 intercepted messages each month, which rose subsequently to more than 84,000 per month. At the end of the war, Turing was made an officer of the Order of the British Empire for his code-breaking work.

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Though he was elected a fellow of the Royal Society in March 1951, Turing’s life was about to suffer a major reversal. In March 1952 he was prosecuted for homosexuality, then a crime in Britain, and sentenced to 12 months of hormone “therapy”—a treatment that he seems to have borne with amused fortitude. Judged a security risk by the British government, Turing lost his security clearance and his access to ongoing government work with codes and computers. He spent the rest of his short career at the University of Manchester, where he was appointed to a specially created readership in the theory of computing in May 1953.

From 1951 Turing had been working on what is now known as artificial life. He wrote “The Chemical Basis of Morphogenesis,” which described some of his research on the development of pattern and form in living organisms, and he used the Ferranti Mark I computer to model chemical mechanisms by which genes could control the development of anatomical structure in plants and animals. In the midst of this groundbreaking work, Turing was discovered dead in his bed, poisoned by cyanide. A homemade apparatus for silver-plating teaspoons, which included a tank of cyanide, was found in the room next to his bedroom. The official verdict was suicide, but no motive was ever discovered.


One of the greatest minds of the past century. A man comparable to Einstein. Dead of his own hand at 42 after being treated for Gay. He might have lived another 40 years. What might he have given us?

We have come a long way, baby. And miles to go before we rest.




searching4mysir -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 3:47:31 PM)


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One of the biggest reasons for coming out is probably why the OP is upset about it


Why do you think I'm upset about it?

I screwed up and I owe you an apology, my comments were not aim at you, it was at searching4mysir and everyone else who complains about why did he have to come out about what he does in the bedroom, reducing being gay to like being into foot worship *sigh*..I sincerely apologize to you, all I can plead is senility.



Lauren, I'm not upset by it. I just don't really see the need for him to write an article for Sports Illustrated telling the world that he likes men and not women. I see liberals applauding him for this and the conservatives are just like "yeah, so what? You want to bang a guy, go do it. No need to tell me about it because I really don't care."

I see it as grandstanding and attention seeking because he sucks as a ball player and can't get attention any other way except by people applauding him for where he wants to stick his dick. In today's society, there really isn't anything courageous about coming out as gay. Homosexuality is applauded in this country.




PeonForHer -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:05:38 PM)


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In today's society, there really isn't anything courageous about coming out as gay. Homosexuality is applauded in this country.


Lordy. If that's true, the USA is far, far more advanced than I thought it was.




PeonForHer -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:13:52 PM)


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Alan Turing.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/609739/Alan-M-Turing


The case of Alan Turing was one of the most disgraceful episodes in British history. It's up there with that of Oscar Wilde, in my view. Something great and good was brought down by a force that was low, and basically crap.

Though, there are some who argue that he wasn't depressed and hadn't committed suicide. New evidence surrounding the circumstances of his death has come to light, apparently. Nonetheless, I agree that his death was a massive loss and a great shame. You're right: after his work during WW2, God alone knows what he could have done later. The man had innovative talent by the bucket load.




Level -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:15:04 PM)

It's not true.




PeonForHer -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:17:54 PM)

What isn't true?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:21:47 PM)

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I see liberals applauding him for this and the conservatives are just like "yeah, so what? You want to bang a guy, go do it. No need to tell me about it because I really don't care."

I see it as grandstanding and attention seeking because he sucks as a ball player and can't get attention any other way except by people applauding him for where he wants to stick his dick. In today's society, there really isn't anything courageous about coming out as gay. Homosexuality is applauded in this country.


1. I see some conservatives that want to either beat him to death, damn him to hell or both

2. If you don't care, why are you making posts on the thread?[8|]

3. He sucks as a ball player? How many years was he in the N fuckin B fuckin A?

Nice try




LizDeluxe -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:40:03 PM)

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2. If you don't care, why are you making posts on the thread?[8|]


I had a few thoughts on the Collins thing but fuck it if this it the level that this thread has sunken to.





Hillwilliam -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:44:39 PM)


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2. If you don't care, why are you making posts on the thread?[8|]


I had a few thoughts on the Collins thing but fuck it if this it the level that this thread has sunken to.



My point was that someone who 'doesn't care' has made 4 posts on this thread.[8|]

Nice try at a threadflounce but I've seen better.




Level -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:46:41 PM)


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What isn't true?


Peon, that America "applauds" being gay; I should have quoted you, so it'd have been clearer, sorry.





LadyPact -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 4:58:09 PM)

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Lauren, I'm not upset by it. I just don't really see the need for him to write an article for Sports Illustrated telling the world that he likes men and not women. I see liberals applauding him for this and the conservatives are just like "yeah, so what? You want to bang a guy, go do it. No need to tell me about it because I really don't care."

I see it as grandstanding and attention seeking because he sucks as a ball player and can't get attention any other way except by people applauding him for where he wants to stick his dick. In today's society, there really isn't anything courageous about coming out as gay. Homosexuality is applauded in this country.

I don't know if I agree with this entirely. I agree with your concept that it *shouldn't* matter and we should be past who people are sexually attracted to making any difference to whether they will be accepted or not. I'm just not sure if we are really there or not.

I think most people have seen the struggle that some go through with coming out. Hopefully, it's getter easier. Maybe articles like this can help with that when it comes to those facing the decision to be out or not.

If nothing else, it's never been done before. There have been those who came out when they were officially retired. I can't say I recall any other Sports Illustrated articles of the same type.

Even if the guy was the worst player in the NBA, he's good enough to be a professional. That's got to mean he's at least semi decent at what he does on the court.





DomKen -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 5:00:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

I see it as grandstanding and attention seeking because he sucks as a ball player and can't get attention any other way except by people applauding him for where he wants to stick his dick. In today's society, there really isn't anything courageous about coming out as gay. Homosexuality is applauded in this country.


I volunteer at a shelter for gay teens that have been thrown out of their homes. Don't you think its odd that if homosexuality was so universally celebrated the shelter is always full and we always have to turn kids away which pretty much guarantees they'll wind up turning tricks to eat.




DomKen -> RE: Jason Collins: "I'm Gay" (5/1/2013 5:02:34 PM)

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Alan Turing.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/609739/Alan-M-Turing


The case of Alan Turing was one of the most disgraceful episodes in British history. It's up there with that of Oscar Wilde, in my view. Something great and good was brought down by a force that was low, and basically crap.

Though, there are some who argue that he wasn't depressed and hadn't committed suicide. New evidence surrounding the circumstances of his death has come to light, apparently. Nonetheless, I agree that his death was a massive loss and a great shame. You're right: after his work during WW2, God alone knows what he could have done later. The man had innovative talent by the bucket load.

It could be argued that Turing won WWII when his team broke the enigma code. Whether he killed himself or was killed it was a tragedy of the sort it is hard to imagine




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