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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Okay, help me out here, I've admitted that stores can choose to not allow people with lawful firearms on their premises. So the problem you all have, is that I prefer to give my business to a store that does allow me to lawfully carry a firearm on their premises. You have a problem with my freedom of choice because I take issue with another person's choice and simply choose to not encourage it with my hard earned money. Is that what we are getting at?

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.

One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.

Would you decline doing business with them or cease doing any further business with them simply because they had different political beliefs than you even if there was nobody in your area who could provide the same quality product or service who was cut from the same political fabric as you? Truthfully, unless you carefully voir dire every prospective business you patronize you probably already do business with someone who is the polar opposite of you politically.

Just curious.

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.

One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.

Would you decline doing business with them or cease doing any further business with them simply because they had different political beliefs than you even if there was nobody in your area who could provide the same quality product or service who was cut from the same political fabric as you? Truthfully, unless you carefully voir dire every prospective business you patronize you probably already do business with someone who is the polar opposite of you politically.

Just curious.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Politics makes a different.

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A big jewelry chain around here doesn't allow law abiding folks to carry concealed weapons on there premises.

... I politely explained I don't do business with anti-American companies.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.

One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.

Would you decline doing business with them or cease doing any further business with them simply because they had different political beliefs than you even if there was nobody in your area who could provide the same quality product or service who was cut from the same political fabric as you? Truthfully, unless you carefully voir dire every prospective business you patronize you probably already do business with someone who is the polar opposite of you politically.

Just curious.

This quite the disingenuous (or naive) proposal, being that the question of the day does not concern "political beliefs" per se but strong statements on social issues. There are Democratic and Republican voters who are against 'gay rights' and likewise others from both parties in favor of same. Such as with gun control, etc.

The fact is that Chic Filet does not make the best chicken sandwich in town, nor Dominos the best pizza in town, nor does Cracker Barrel make the best industrial-grade 'home cooking' in town, so the false premise proposed here doesn't come into play to any degree of relevance in any event.

Is there a clear consensus in your city or town as to who makes the best particular product or provides the best particular service?

Don't hold out on us here.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe
I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.
One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.
Would you decline doing business with them or cease doing any further business with them simply because they had different political beliefs than you even if there was nobody in your area who could provide the same quality product or service who was cut from the same political fabric as you? Truthfully, unless you carefully voir dire every prospective business you patronize you probably already do business with someone who is the polar opposite of you politically.
Just curious.

This quite the disingenuous (or naive) proposal, being that the question of the day does not concern "political beliefs" per se but strong statements on social issues. There are Democratic and Republican voters who are against 'gay rights' and likewise others from both parties in favor of same. Such as with gun control, etc.
The fact is that Chic Filet does not make the best chicken sandwich in town, nor Dominos the best pizza in town, nor does Cracker Barrel make the best industrial-grade 'home cooking' in town, so the false premise proposed here doesn't come into play to any degree of relevance in any event.
Is there a clear consensus in your city or town as to who makes the best particular product or provides the best particular service?
Don't hold out on us here.

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For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is.

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

I have a question for anyone who cares to answer. Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.

One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.

Would you decline doing business with them or cease doing any further business with them simply because they had different political beliefs than you even if there was nobody in your area who could provide the same quality product or service who was cut from the same political fabric as you? Truthfully, unless you carefully voir dire every prospective business you patronize you probably already do business with someone who is the polar opposite of you politically.

Just curious.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic
Okay, help me out here, I've admitted that stores can choose to not allow people with lawful firearms on their premises. So the problem you all have, is that I prefer to give my business to a store that does allow me to lawfully carry a firearm on their premises.

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic
Okay, help me out here, I've admitted that stores can choose to not allow people with lawful firearms on their premises. So the problem you all have, is that I prefer to give my business to a store that does allow me to lawfully carry a firearm on their premises.

Just an observation but I cannot think of a single gun dealer or firing range in my area that permits loaded firearms to be brought on the premises. I understand the basis of your position but I was wondering how the quandary created by my observation above would impact you. Would you simply add all of those gun dealers and shooting ranges to your 'do not patronize' list? They are some of the staunchest supporters of your right to bear arms.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
This quite the disingenuous (or naive) proposal, being that the question of the day does not concern "political beliefs" per se but strong statements on social issues. There are Democratic and Republican voters who are against 'gay rights' and likewise others from both parties in favor of same. Such as with gun control, etc.

The fact is that Chic Filet does not make the best chicken sandwich in town, nor Dominos the best pizza in town, nor does Cracker Barrel make the best industrial-grade 'home cooking' in town, so the false premise proposed here doesn't come into play in any event.

Is there a clear consensus in your city or town as to who makes the best particular product or provides the best particular service?

Don't hold out on us here.

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Let's suppose there is a business in your area who is the very best in your area for whatever product or service they provide. For the purposes of this discussion it really doesn't matter what their business is. Could be a restaurant or an automobile repair shop or a florist. They provide the best service and price and product. Maybe you've never shopped there before or maybe you are already a regular customer. Nobody else in town can touch them.

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This makes no sense, even posted twice. The OP didn't say anything about Chick-Fil-A, and certainly didn't make a proposal in the sense of taking a specific action... they quite clearly specified a service or store that 'nobody else could touch', creating a dilemma . An example was given earlier of the only cancer treatment center in the area. Or, how about the only dealer in town factory authorized to work on something you own? Are you going to take your pre-war Martin D-28 to the Home Depot to be worked on if you and the Martin trained luthier don't agree on the best candidates?

I don't see how people are making the leap from the OP question to boycotting whole chains.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280
Yes, but I take a different approach. I avoid businesses that are openly political, regardless of whether I agree or disagree. I think, when you own a business as I had once, you stay the fuck out. Religion and Politics have no place in business. While I may have strong views on certain issues, I didn't want to exclude any possible market segment. The only exception I can think of would be a store or business that catered to some loony section of the population like a head shop or christian book store. I feel that way simply because I don't like business playing to big a role in politics either. So, if they know that by being political, they loose my business maybe they will shut up and focus on me the customer and what makes me happy. This also goes for a lot of media too. I really hate ultra-political musicians. Someone with hardly the IQ of monkey should just shut up and sing not preach.

Anecdotally, I did like to know the politics of my customers as a contractor. That told me more than anything. Sometimes I wouldn't take jobs or avoid doing business with them based on that info. For example: Fundy Christians were cheap-asses who complained a lot and didn't pay, so I rarely even submitted bids once I knew they were that type. Ex-military republicans always paid and on time, but you better do a damn good job and follow the schedule. Free spirited liberals liked to change their minds and not pay for the changes, and complain that you couldn't just do it for them, but would pay after negotiations. I like blue-collar union types, clear expectations, paid and respected and any labor troubles you had. Gun nut hunter types, had no sense of style or class but paid well. Society blue blood liberals where cash cows because they over spent on crazy fashionable stuff and paid whatever it took to get it done yesterday.

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe
One day you find out that the owner's political affiliations and beliefs are the polar opposite of yours. We're not talking about them doing anything unethical or immoral or illegal in the course of their business. Nothing like racism or prejudice. Just their basic political views. The sort of stuff we discuss here in P&R.

i reckon it would be discriminatory to take patronage from folks ya disagree wit. goes against tha pluralist principles of democracy.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I wouldn't boycott the local cancer treatment center for their political views.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I wouldn't boycott the local cancer treatment center for their political views.

what about when Susan G. Komen cut funding to Planned Parenthood due to their political & religious views? having political/religious views are one thing, but changing who you give donated money to and who you dont cuz of those views is another thing all together.. They lost a certain amount of public support over that, peoples perception of them changed.. as I recall..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I wouldn't boycott the local cancer treatment center for their political views.

what about when Susan G. Komen cut funding to Planned Parenthood due to their political & religious views? having political/religious views are one thing, but changing who you give donated money to and who you dont cuz of those views is another thing all together.. They lost a certain amount of public support over that, peoples perception of them changed.. as I recall..

SGK Foundation made the claim that they give financial support to mammogram providers. Since PP doesn't actually provide the mammograms, PP wasn't eligible for funding, iirc. SGK lost some supporters because there was a furor put out about their not supporting PP.