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LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 7:38:44 AM   
vincentML


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Status: offline 		Activist and talk radio host Adam Kokesh in a Facebook post last week called on his listeners to join him on July 4 to march on Washington, D.C., with loaded guns. More than 1,500 people have responded to say they plan to attend the event.

Here’s what Kokesh wrote in the original post:

On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

There’s a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.


Is Adam Kokesh a true patriot or truly a nut?
Will this stunt have a backlash against Second Amendment adherents?
Is this just a well honored tradition with a little something added [loaded weapons]
What do you expect will happen on the ground?
Would you support this event, or not?
Any other thoughts?

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 7:56:01 AM   
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Activist and talk radio host Adam Kokesh in a Facebook post last week called on his listeners to join him on July 4 to march on Washington, D.C., with loaded guns. More than 1,500 people have responded to say they plan to attend the event.
Here’s what Kokesh wrote in the original post:
On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.
There’s a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.
Is Adam Kokesh a true patriot or truly a nut?


He is a veteran having served with the Marine reserves in Fallujah. That's fairly patriotic. He has also violated several military codes (bringing a pistol back from Iraq - prevented him from re-enlisting; and then wearing his uniform at a political rally and a related misconduct charge) and has taken part in some other "edgy" rallies and protests. So, he may be patriotic, truly a nut, both, or neither.

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Will this stunt have a backlash against Second Amendment adherents?


It might have direct backlash against any 2nd Amendment adherents that participate. Indirectly, it will likely be used against 2nd Amendment supporters if something bad happens, regardless of who starts it (but worse if LocknLoad starts it).

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Is this just a well honored tradition with a little something added [loaded weapons]
What do you expect will happen on the ground?


Yes, this is a well honored tradition (peaceful assembly to petition for redress of grievances) with something added (I don't see this as being "little").

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Would you support this event, or not?
Any other thoughts?
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I don't support the arms being loaded. I think it would be much smarter if the arms weren't loaded. There would be less of a chance of "shit getting real" and for bad things to happen. All it takes is one jackass to cause a meltdown and ruin the entire event. I don't think this ends well for LocknLoad.


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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 8:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is stupid on so many levels. Now is the time for education and empowerment, not marches that are little more than provocative fanfare. I learned about this first on the democratic underground and I have to agree that this could end badly for everyone. Now is the time to help Colorado with its recalls, donate money to the SAF, NRA, and GOA. Not wear a rifle to D.C. where it's illegal to be an American.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 9:18:04 AM   
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Not wear a rifle to D.C. where it's illegal to be an American.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 9:20:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's all we need. No matter if they're loaded or unloaded, this could end very, very badly. How many of those (1500 at last I saw) supporters will actually show up. And since he's on the radar already, how many are actually agents just trying to gather evidence? I am a fervent 2nd Amendment supporter, but this idea is weapons-grade stupid.

When you march on the capital city of your nation under arms, you damn well better be planning on something more than a "peaceful" protest. It is a case of either all or nothing here. Just entering the city limits of D.C. with an AR is illegal, so right off the bat whoever shows up is going to have to deal with that. In the unlikely event this actually happens, they'll gave every agency manned and ready. If that's not enough, you have the Old Guard (3rd US Infantry) to contend with. Yes, they're primarily a ceremonial unit, but they're still infantrymen and damn good ones. A soldier's a soldier, and if they're tasked with defending the Capitol, they will do so with frightening effectiveness, Posse Comitatus be damned.

I don't like what this administration is doing, but now is not yet the time to be considering things like this. I'm near-certain this is nothing more than a publicity stunt, and if that's all, fine. But if you actually do attempt something on this scale, you'd damn well better to in it to win it or don't leave the porch. Once you cross that line there is no going back.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 9:22:05 AM   
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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 9:37:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		All it would need is just one of the marchers to fire their weapon (even into the air) or to fire a blank cartridge for a major firefight to start - and I believe Adam Kokesh and other anti-government, anti-American nuts are wishing that will happen.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 9:42:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is wishful thinking on your part FD. Even if someone did fire something into the air, I highly doubt people will just open up on each other and everyone.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 10:12:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		A few points.

1. It's Misguided. He is protesting in DC so it is presumably against the federal govt's nonexistent confiscation.
Here's the problem. He will run afoul of LOCAL laws and cops. As long as he doesn't get anywhere near the Prez, the feds probably won't give a shit. The DC mayor, on the other hand, will take it personally and call out his cops. if they're poorly trained (a hell of a lot of them are) problems could result.

2. BATF/FBI/DHS may just decide to infiltrate the group. Easy enough to do, just show up with a gun. Guess who would be most likely to touch a blank off into the air to instigate problems. If you guessed BATF, you win a SEEGAR.

This would possibly cause the aforementioned firefight because of itchy trigger fingers among the local cops (remember the boat that got shot full of holes with an unarmed terrorist inside? Someone fired the first shot and it doesn't seem to have been him. That leaves itchy trigger fingers and badges.)

BANG, You immediately discredit any person in the US who legally owns a firearm and political pressure will amass toward disarmament.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 12:23:16 PM   
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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 12:49:51 PM   
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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 1:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		~FR~ Seems to me there is a big difference between hunters, gun sportsmen, and collectors vs a fringe group who believes the bogus conspiracy that this particular President is out to take their guns away. He has never made even the slightest hint of having that thought. If this march comes off and even if no trouble ensues the optics of the event will be splashed across TV screens and newspapers nationwide. The photos will show either a pitiful group of ten of which six will be undercover law officers OR a fear inducing mob of thousands of armed revolutionaries marching on the Nation's capitol. In either case it will be a smear against those who have a peaceful interest in owning guns. Worse of course if shots are fired.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 1:22:14 PM   
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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 1:42:56 PM   
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~FR~ Seems to me there is a big difference between hunters, gun sportsmen, and collectors vs a fringe group who believes the bogus conspiracy that this particular President is out to take their guns away. He has never made even the slightest hint of having that thought. If this march comes off and even if no trouble ensues the optics of the event will be splashed across TV screens and newspapers nationwide. The photos will show either a pitiful group of ten of which six will be undercover law officers OR a fear inducing mob of thousands of armed revolutionaries marching on the Nation's capitol. In either case it will be a smear against those who have a peaceful interest in owning guns. Worse of course if shots are fired.

One does wonder why the "high water mark" of government is now, rather than (say) ten years back when civil liberties were being removed and nonsense like the patriot act was voted in, when you put it like that.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 1:47:32 PM   
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One does wonder why the "high water mark" of government is now, rather than (say) ten years back when civil liberties were being removed and nonsense like the patriot act was voted in, when you put it like that.

Easy peasy . . . housing bubble bursting into recession followed by a rather unique presidential election(s). Ya think?

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 1:56:49 PM   
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~FR~ Seems to me there is a big difference between hunters, gun sportsmen, and collectors vs a fringe group who believes the bogus conspiracy that this particular President is out to take their guns away. He has never made even the slightest hint of having that thought. If this march comes off and even if no trouble ensues the optics of the event will be splashed across TV screens and newspapers nationwide. The photos will show either a pitiful group of ten of which six will be undercover law officers OR a fear inducing mob of thousands of armed revolutionaries marching on the Nation's capitol. In either case it will be a smear against those who have a peaceful interest in owning guns. Worse of course if shots are fired.

One does wonder why the "high water mark" of government is now, rather than (say) ten years back when civil liberties were being removed and nonsense like the patriot act was voted in, when you put it like that.


There's this think called the "straw that broke the camel's back." Even the "high water mark" analogy says the same thing. It's finally gotten to the point where it's too much. Doesn't mean the current protesters were "for" the abuses of Bush, but that the abuses of Bush didn't put us over the top of that high water mark. Helped us get there, no doubt.

And, I reiterate that I do not support this protest/rally/clusterfuck. Just answering the question.


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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 2:19:07 PM   
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Doesn't mean the current protesters were "for" the abuses of Bush, but that the abuses of Bush didn't put us over the top of that high water mark.

I'm dubious that either clause there is actually true, if I'm honest.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 3:13:01 PM   
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In either case it will be a smear against those who have a peaceful interest in owning guns.


Fed by CNN.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 4:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		is it ironic or poignant that the march will start at a cemetery?

I guess that depends how many people you think should be lockednloaded

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/7/2013 4:31:09 PM   
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I can not imagine this ending well.



Me either. The cops will be out in force and armed to the teeth. It never takes much to start a panic.

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