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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/10/2013 10:12:53 PM   
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Please do not mistake my 'lack of fear' as any statement that I might live longer that the average person as result.



Oh no, that's not my point, Edwynn. My point is that being equipped to defend yourself - by virtue of martial arts training (per myself), or carrying a gun, doesn't actually reduce fear. It can't do - because you need the fear for the weapon (gun or fighting skills) to be of any use. Of course you do, because if you weren't afraid, you'd have no motivation to practise with your gun or fist or foot, thus be ready to go for it at the sudden right times, and so forth. You fight savagery by being savage yourself. That's how it works. And you can't be savage without being fearful. It makes no sense.

Makes quite a lot of sense, Peon. Many of us, maybe most of us are not gun owners. We go about our daily lives sans paranoia. But real events do happen and are reported inexaustedly. Twenty school babies dead by gun. The Batman Movie spree killing. The Columbine High School slaughter. They are not figments of our imagination. Except in an odd way they become just part of reality shows on television. We don't really believe WE will get caught up in such. On the other hand there are many who own guns because they fear home invasion, a very unlikely event unless you are in the drug trade. So, the fear is pervasive but it is also oddly detached from real life. Not sure I am describing it well. Sorry.


The only time I lived in fear was during the first 6 years after my divorce, and that fear was caused by my ex-husband.

I have never lived in paranoid fear that someone was going to break into my house, shoot me or anything else. Of course, I live in an area where I don't have to lock my door at night or when I leave home. Many people here don't lock their doors.

Of course, I also have the added advantage of my family being somewhat well known in the area, so I'm sure that makes a difference.

ETA: However, when I lived in Florida for two years, I worked for the department of corrections so I KNEW how many felons there were in my area, the crime rate (somewhat high), etc. and I still never felt a sense of fear or worry that I would be shot, robbed, raped or some other way violated. And I still didn't lock my doors.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/10/2013 11:10:44 PM   
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As I said, the man promoting this has done it in a way to intentionally appeal to the nutcases. I've no doubt in my mind that he wants those people to show up, and he wants someone to shoot off their guns.



but its the nutcases that won the revolution and made the shall not infringe rules. now what?

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/10/2013 11:20:03 PM   
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Ahhh . . . there are too many photographs still in the minds of some of us geezers depicting armed columns marching into cities such as Paris and through Sweden to your country. People marching with loaded guns? Civilized conduct? I don't think so.


Comparing American gun owners to Nazi soldiers huh? Projecting much?

Nope. Just those stupid enough to march on the Capitol with em LockednLoaded.



Oh? I do not recall anyone marching on the capital in germany LockednLoaded?





Have a closer look. I wrote about marching into Paris, through Sweden, and into Norway. I said nothing about marching into Germany. I don't understand your problem.



and if the people of germany would have marched on the capital of germany maybe that would have been prevented, you missed the point entirely.

well no it wouldnt have they would have only delayed it a couple years. the uk does not like competition.


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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 2:15:19 AM   
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No it wasn't nutcases. But you saying it was is not surprising. The two are not comparable.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 4:06:36 AM   
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NM. I tire of this.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 6:02:44 AM   
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BitCoin is a scam waiting to explode, just so you know.


Your point being? So is every currency. Most just have a longer life expectancy than BitCoin, s'all. Care to guess the halflife of the dollar?

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But I hear what you say in other regards, hearing lately this same thing from Netherlanders and Denmark citizens on the pro audio site I visit. That is disturbing. Things becoming evermore Kafkaesque, as they relate it.


They relate it with modesty, as there's increasing vigilance against "dangerous" opinions and criticisms of public policy.

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But here in the US, we are on the other side of it. Millions of lost jobs and lost houses, due to a "let it all hang out" mentality regarding the financial industry and other sectors of business.


Yeah, there's not much need to control the precariat. Up here, we all have some measure of power, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, so control is more necessary, though our customs are based on softer, more pervasive control.

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Of course, Reagan's "government is not the solution, it is the problem" came to fruition under his handler's guidance, resulting in the US having the highest prison ratio-per-thousand of any country.


It's my impression the war on drugs is a bigger factor in that?

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But I hope you people have your voices heard, which is not possible in this country.


No, unless you count the Oslo/Utøya attacks, no voices have been heard here for a long time. Up until that, you could speak, but not be heard. Since that, speaking has been restricted ever more. Fortunately, there's full consent of the people. About 80% of the population supports strong restrictions on free speech now, and I'm inclined to say that consent will be exploited.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 6:05:33 AM   
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They just have to understand that they will be arrested, and not act like a baby and call it fascism.


Just like women in the Middle East breaking the laws on exposing their skin have to understand that they will be punished, and not act like babies and call it misogynism, right?

Thought not. So, the principle established as the same, with the difference being one of porportionality and importance of the thing being sought, the latter being subjective, we're left with a much simpler question, aren't we?

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 6:58:43 AM   
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They just have to understand that they will be arrested, and not act like a baby and call it fascism.


Just like women in the Middle East breaking the laws on exposing their skin have to understand that they will be punished, and not act like babies and call it misogynism, right?

Thought not. So, the principle established as the same, with the difference being one of porportionality and importance of the thing being sought, the latter being subjective, we're left with a much simpler question, aren't we?

No. Civil disobedience is always done with the knowledge that you can be arrested. The old adage applies, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Would I encourage women in SA to go out in public with a hijab? No. That would be tantamount to commiting suicide.

If a group wants to march or protest in our capital city they should either obey the law or expect to get arrested.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 8:25:17 AM   
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As I said, the man promoting this has done it in a way to intentionally appeal to the nutcases. I've no doubt in my mind that he wants those people to show up, and he wants someone to shoot off their guns.



but its the nutcases that won the revolution and made the shall not infringe rules. now what?

The American revolution was an act perpetrated by middle class tradesmen and slaveholders. They were hardly nut cases. RO tortures history.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 8:33:54 AM   
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and if the people of germany would have marched on the capital of germany maybe that would have been prevented, you missed the point entirely.

well no it wouldnt have they would have only delayed it a couple years. the uk does not like competition.

Again RO tortures history or is ignorant of it. There was much distress and there were many street marches as the Weimar Republic collapsed. The Nazis had a small number of seats in Parliament before the Reichstad fire. After the fire Hitler stood for election and won enough seats in Parliament to implement the Enabling Acts that gave him dictitorial power during the "emergency." Not only did the German people eventually acquiesce to his rule, they participated most eagerly for there own benefit and gain. Most Gestopo activity was initiated by reports from citizens being "good Germans."

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 8:41:13 AM   
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As I said, the man promoting this has done it in a way to intentionally appeal to the nutcases. I've no doubt in my mind that he wants those people to show up, and he wants someone to shoot off their guns.



but its the nutcases that won the revolution and made the shall not infringe rules. now what?

The American revolution was an act perpetrated by middle class tradesmen and slaveholders. They were hardly nut cases. RO tortures history.



perpetrated?

Overt slavery was legal then as covert slavery is legal now you know so it has no bearing on the matter.

so what class are those who are marching? If not the middle they must be wall street elites or ghetto grungies who cant afford to buy their own food?

So what makes those, then, whose agenda it was to enforce standing covenants et al different from those now whose agenda is to enforce standing covenants et al?

The distinction you are attempting to present does not compute.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 8:52:11 AM   
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and if the people of germany would have marched on the capital of germany maybe that would have been prevented, you missed the point entirely.

well no it wouldnt have they would have only delayed it a couple years. the uk does not like competition.

Again RO tortures history or is ignorant of it. There was much distress and there were many street marches as the Weimar Republic collapsed. The Nazis had a small number of seats in Parliament before the Reichstad fire. After the fire Hitler stood for election and won enough seats in Parliament to implement the Enabling Acts that gave him dictitorial power during the "emergency." Not only did the German people eventually acquiesce to his rule, they participated most eagerly for there own benefit and gain. Most Gestopo activity was initiated by reports from citizens being "good Germans."



and what country does that sound like today?

911? patriot act? national emergency act? war powers act?

both democrat comunists and the republican fascists alike




and those who blindly follow


But then no one to date has ever said it better than george;



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=acLW1vFO-2Q

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This legendary rant is even better when read. The transcripts I could find always sucked. So I've made what i hope is a more readable version below, so this classic piece of polemical gold can be shared and understood more widely. I've read it dozens of times. I still can't find a flaw in it, or anything even exaggerated. He's right. We're fucked. Unless we think of some way to fight back. I have my ideas. Do you?

Read it first. Then watch the video. Then read it again. Then share it far and wide with the little green button. Retweets do count.

Transcript

But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear.

They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place!

It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on.

Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth.

It's called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it.


http://shoqvalue.com/george-carlin-on-the-american-dream-with-transcript



I would make a case that we are already in a condition of anarchy when we departed from the truth and historical propaganda became the mainstream norm.

whats different between the course of germany and the course of america?





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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 9:35:57 AM   
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I would make a case that we are already in a condition of anarchy when we departed from the truth and historical propaganda became the mainstream norm.

Uncomfortably for you, not all of us share your Truth.

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Whats different between the course of germany and the course of america?

A zillion message boards like this one, Twitter, FB, broadcast and print fora, townhall meetings, etc . . where people can express non-violent, even hateful opinions without fear of being reported to the secret police and sent away to a camp. Haven't you noticed? The freedom you take advantage of here everyday?

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 10:04:21 AM   
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I would make a case that we are already in a condition of anarchy when we departed from the truth and historical propaganda became the mainstream norm.

Uncomfortably for you, not all of us share your Truth.

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Whats different between the course of germany and the course of america?

A zillion message boards like this one, Twitter, FB, broadcast and print fora, townhall meetings, etc . . where people can express non-violent, even hateful opinions without fear of being reported to the secret police and sent away to a camp. Haven't you noticed? The freedom you take advantage of here everyday?


its automated, you tell on yourself by using corporatist state controlled devices, or they use them on you to monitor "everything" you have no freedom, its a fantasy.

now the tesla communications system would have afforded MUCH more if not total privacy, world wide and without satelite communications. any wonder it was torn down by statist power mongers?

"spy gear has been widely deployed since the mid-‘90s"

Operation “Stingray

even wiki knows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_surveillance




How about:


The NSA Is Building the Country�s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

NSA warrantless surveillance



finally: Supreme Court Allows NSA's Warrantless Wiretapping to Continue


its simply not my fault the rest of you do not keep abreast of, or are in denial of your present condition.

reported and not shot are two entirely different things. records are being kept, files on everyone out here, what sites you visit, anything you type, all logged and monitored, standing by to be used in a kangaroo court for the next agenda advancement.

What a nice way to find seek out and destroy political dissidents should the need arise.

here how about a snoot full of your freedom:





welcome to the desert of the real.




people living in fear of their government is not liberty its democracy.





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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 10:14:59 AM   
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people living in fear of their government is not liberty its democracy

Only cowards live in fear. Sorry to see you are so frightened of your government. Oh, and thanks for all the wallpaper. But I generally skim past it quickly to see if you have anything of substance to say. But hey! Enjoy yourself. It seems to be a harmless masturbatory activity.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 10:20:57 AM   
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people living in fear of their government is not liberty its democracy

Only cowards live in fear. Sorry to see you are so frightened of your government. Oh, and thanks for all the wallpaper. But I generally skim past it quickly to see if you have anything of substance to say. But hey! Enjoy yourself. It seems to be a harmless masturbatory activity.



Nice obfuscation; No possessive was used or implied.

Then suffice to say you feel americans are cowards since they brag about their wonderful democracy, the antithesis to liberty. Yes you are masterbating and I am putting up supreme court positions .

(oh and actually its not democracy "purely" in and of iteslf, it has a very "limited" use, it is the police state that grows out of all democracies, that eventually inevitably steamrolls liberty over time)





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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 12:15:47 PM   
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Obfusacation, huh? You always seem to be complaining about the government and I can never quite understand what you are FOR. To further confuse understanding of your positions you splatter graphics across the screen as if anyone will pay much attention to them. If you have a position you can state cogently and pithily please state it. I will be happy to read it. But if you are going to just continue to complain about police state and loss of liberty without giving specifics then forget about it.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 1:46:04 PM   
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Land of the free indeed... you have to apply for right of assembly now?


One does not need a license to assemble in the u.s.
One does need a permit to march down the street where vehicular traffic usually goes.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 1:54:00 PM   
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but its the nutcases that won the revolution and made the shall not infringe rules. now what?


I would not consider adams,jefferson,madison,jay...et all to be nutcases. It shames america for them to be so described.

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RE: LocknLoad March on Washington - 5/11/2013 2:17:55 PM   
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You have to apply for a permit unless your the unwashed masses of Occupy, then you can squat, and city governments will bend over backwards to accommodate you.


One would think that an alleged cop would know that you do not need a permit to assemble.

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