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SlightlyScared -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:12:16 AM)
Ah, sorry about that, I had assumed the comics included other comics as well; the distinctly more fictional comics that have also recently been turned into films. I actually have Maus in my to-read pile. Those shows can be found on the internet but I agree that they are TV-funded so would screen there first. The replay functions on the websites of the TV stations have would probably be the best place to find them. A sample of arty TV pieces made for the internet include the Lizzie Bennet Diaries, The Guild, Rise: Kingdom Falling and Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog. There's starting to be something of a movement, I think, about disentangling visual media and the TV.

Aswad -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:12:17 AM)
If you're going to mention comics, why not mention webcomics? I mean, things like XKCD, Venus Envy, Questionable Content, Oglaf, Shiniez, The Punchline Is Machismo, etc.? IWYW, — Aswad.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:13:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 I laugh when people say there is nothing good on TV. There are excellent shows on the cable channels HBO, SHO, Starz, F/X, A&E, AMC, and yes, even network. Sample: Game of Thrones The Borgias Mad Men Sons of Anarchy The Americans The Killing True Blood Dexter The Following Hannibal Spartacus (just ended) And then there are just the fun happy shows like The Voice. I can't stand any of them - they bore me to tears!! quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Yep..... I'm a boring old fart I guess this is a "yes, I realise that i am missing masterpieces of art and I just don't care". So, thanks for your answer, no more questions your highness :) . You are, by all means, entitled to your opinion. But don't assume to put your interpretation to my answer. I'm not missing anything at all - at least nothing of interest to me. If it interests you and you think I'm missing out - go right ahead. I know different [:)]

theshytype -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:15:50 AM)
I thought I was pretty clear as to why I don't read comics - they don't allow for much mental imagery as a novel. Also, I thought I was pretty clear as to why I listen to music, watch television, or read. May be simplistic to you, but I do everything with purpose. I don't just sit down to watch tv or pick up a book 'just because'. While there may be more thought-provoking shows on tv, that's not typically my purpose for sitting down in front of it and reading does not alter my mood as music does.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:16:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SlightlyScared Ah, sorry about that, I had assumed the comics included other comics as well; the distinctly more fictional comics that have also recently been turned into films. I actually have Maus in my to-read pile. Those shows can be found on the internet but I agree that they are TV-funded so would screen there first. The replay functions on the websites of the TV stations have would probably be the best place to find them. A sample of arty TV pieces made for the internet include the Lizzie Bennet Diaries, The Guild, Rise: Kingdom Falling and Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog. There's starting to be something of a movement, I think, about disentangling visual media and the TV. It included them, but if you give as one of the reasons something which only affects them my question derives to why you do not read the rest. Now I see that you have read some or at least you have the intention to read one masterpiece. I am glad :) . If you want, let me know if you like it and I can give you some other things on the same line. Thanks for your answer.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:19:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad If you're going to mention comics, why not mention webcomics? I mean, things like XKCD, Venus Envy, Questionable Content, Oglaf, Shiniez, The Punchline Is Machismo, etc.? IWYW, — Aswad. I did not because I was giving samples of non-fiction masterpieces. XKCD would only partially qualify, the others not or I do not know them. Now that you mention them, I know XKCD, QQ and Oglaf. I have read many others as well (Order of the Stick, Just Another Gamer Comic, Out There...), but none which I consider a masterpiece besides XKCD. Maybe Erfworld.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:20:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Well, as I made a question I assumed you wanted to answer it. If you are just trolling, then ok, we can let it be.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:22:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theshytype I thought I was pretty clear as to why I don't read comics - they don't allow for much mental imagery as a novel. But TV does not either and you watch it. Anyway, nevermind, I have learned here that if I cannot communicate property in two postings it is better not to insist. Best regards.

FrostedFlake -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:22:46 AM)
quote: So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format? I think the key word here is ENJOY. How much of the time is a television program what you are watching? How much of the time are you watching something else? When the actual program returns, do you actually recall where the program left off, when it was interrupted, or do you have to 'tune in' again. How much of this on again, off again bullshit are you able to endure without your ENJOYMENT evaporating? And, here is the tricky part, if you don't ENJOY it, why bother? Comic books have a similar problem. They are often series. If you never read "The Avenging Fucktards" before, this months issue is not going to make much sense. Until you have tuned in to who the characters are, what the big idea is and of course, who the guys being avenged were and why the guys who did them wrong did it, and so on for quite a while. This would have to be why the characters have such amazing bodies. Makes it easier to sell that first copy. Now, obviously, I am not saying there is anything wrong with the way TV is presented. I'm just saying, it's a good thing there is an off switch. Now, the Net, on the other hand...

NuevaVida -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:32:47 AM)
"Masterpiece" is a matter of personal opinion. For example, "Gone with the Wind" was a movie masterpiece, but I hated it. In any case, I watch very little TV. I own a TV, I have limited cable and Netflix. As of today, my TV has not been turned on since Sunday (I love Mad Men and do not miss it). It's more a matter of taste and how I prefer to spend my time. I am not home more than I am home. I'm out DOING things, and being as active as possible. For me, there's time and place for TV. If I hear of a great show, I'll check it out later on Netflix, but I won't purposefully stay home to sit in front of it. It's just not how I choose to spend my time. Do not mistake personal priorities for preferences. If I miss a "masterpiece" now and again, I'm ok with that...perhaps I'll see it later. There's time to catch up on TV. My priorities have to do with spending time with the people in my life, and experiencing life, and for me that puts sitting on my couch watching TV lower on my list. I've never had an interest in comics. Just like I don't have a huge interest in SciFi or bowling or painting furniture, for that matter. It's all a matter of taste, preferences and priorities. Your post seems to indicate we should all share your priorities, and life just doesn't work that way.

Level -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:33:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster Some forms of communication have a worse reputation as others, I guess. Nobody would ever say "I do not watch pictures" or "I do not hear music". People can be more or less music fans, but nobody just does not hear music at all. Between other things, because it is unavoidable. Music is around us. But so are comics and television, if you think about it: instructions on how to abandon a plane, which can be found in many planes; televisions placed in public places. I understad, however, that what people mean is "I do not intentionally buy and consume comics" for example. Is there, out there, someone who intentionally does not buy or consume music? Maybe a few, but they are very few, very very few. Comics and television, by the other way, seem "elegant" to ignore. I consider this somehow snob, and somehow a product of ignorance. Guys, some of the best movies of this century are adaptations of comics! And the comics were even better! You can read comics to learn hardcore history, about tendencies of the future in the media ("Understanding Comics"), interesting lives ("Persepolis"), ancient legends ("300"), the recent past ("Maus", "Gorazde") or the current political reality ("Palestina"). I won't even come to the multiple high-quality TV series which can now be bought as a bunch per DVD and simply seen when you have time for them. So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format? Would be my question. Agreed. Preacher, Sin City, Sandman, Stray Bullets, Cerebus, The Biologic Show, Eightball, Hate!... all deserving of a better fate than a snobbish dismissal as "kid's stuff".

kalikshama -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:35:22 AM)
quote: I laugh when people say there is nothing good on TV. There are excellent shows on the cable channels HBO, SHO, Starz, F/X, A&E, AMC, and yes, even network. Sample: Game of Thrones The Borgias Mad Men Sons of Anarchy The Americans The Killing True Blood Dexter The Following Hannibal Spartacus (just ended) And then there are just the fun happy shows like The Voice. quote: Let me add Rome, Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos and Real Humans. I've gotten quite of few of these from the library. I loathe commercials. If I have a housemate with HBO etc., I will watch those shows on TV. I haven't watched TV since Olberman left MSNBC - during commercials I used to bounce in between him and Jon Stewart/Colbert.

dcnovice -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:50:24 AM)
FR I don't boycott TV; it just never occurs to me to watch. I did try a bit when I was in the hospital recently but never found anything that caught my interest.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:53:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake quote: So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format? I think the key word here is ENJOY. How much of the time is a television program what you are watching? How much of the time are you watching something else? When the actual program returns, do you actually recall where the program left off, when it was interrupted, or do you have to 'tune in' again. How much of this on again, off again bullshit are you able to endure without your ENJOYMENT evaporating? And, here is the tricky part, if you don't ENJOY it, why bother? Comic books have a similar problem. They are often series. If you never read "The Avenging Fucktards" before, this months issue is not going to make much sense. Until you have tuned in to who the characters are, what the big idea is and of course, who the guys being avenged were and why the guys who did them wrong did it, and so on for quite a while. This would have to be why the characters have such amazing bodies. Makes it easier to sell that first copy. Now, obviously, I am not saying there is anything wrong with the way TV is presented. I'm just saying, it's a good thing there is an off switch. Now, the Net, on the other hand... Hello. Thanks for the answer. TV shows can be seen on DVD with only the interruptions you want. Any of the comics in the OP (have you read any?) had continuations, they were all one book - one story (well, Maus & Persepolis are found also in 2 books, but no more). So... ? Best regards.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:55:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida "Masterpiece" is a matter of personal opinion. For example, "Gone with the Wind" was a movie masterpiece, but I hated it. In any case, I watch very little TV. I own a TV, I have limited cable and Netflix. As of today, my TV has not been turned on since Sunday (I love Mad Men and do not miss it). It's more a matter of taste and how I prefer to spend my time. I am not home more than I am home. I'm out DOING things, and being as active as possible. For me, there's time and place for TV. If I hear of a great show, I'll check it out later on Netflix, but I won't purposefully stay home to sit in front of it. It's just not how I choose to spend my time. Do not mistake personal priorities for preferences. If I miss a "masterpiece" now and again, I'm ok with that...perhaps I'll see it later. There's time to catch up on TV. My priorities have to do with spending time with the people in my life, and experiencing life, and for me that puts sitting on my couch watching TV lower on my list. I've never had an interest in comics. Just like I don't have a huge interest in SciFi or bowling or painting furniture, for that matter. It's all a matter of taste, preferences and priorities. Your post seems to indicate we should all share your priorities, and life just doesn't work that way. Hello! Of course, masterpiece is a matter of opinion, but if we talk about a huge whole media it is safe to say that they would have some masterpiece. You watch TV. Ok. Comics - of course you do what you want, and I do not suggest that you should read comics. I only ask if you realise that you are missing important works of art. That's it.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 10:56:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR I don't boycott TV; it just never occurs to me to watch. I did try a bit when I was in the hospital recently but never found anything that caught my interest. That's an argument, and you have to pay and get informed to come to the good stuff I guess. Thank you for your answer.

Aswad -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 11:45:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster I did not because I was giving samples of non-fiction masterpieces. Venus Envy has done a lovely job of introducing some people to trans* issues, people that might otherwise remain quite unaware of them, and is based on personal experiences, so I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it as fiction, though I realize many don't make a distinction between reality based fiction, allegory, etc. and free fiction that's strictly meant as entertainment. quote: XKCD would only partially qualify, the others not or I do not know them. Some of them are worth getting acquainted with. In terms of printed comics, I prefer omnibus editions for the reasons FrostedFlake mentioned, and have read quite a lot, ranging from Zilverpijl to Crossed. Have a library room with a few cubic meters worth of books and comics. Have a few thousand DVDs and a few hundred BDs. My criterion isn't one of formats, but rather that the work be something worth partaking of. Which is true of very few works, regardless of the medium in which they are published. A good heuristic is the size of the target audience: if a work is meant for mass consumption, it's usually not going to be very good, though there are exceptions (e.g. Rome, BSG, Fight Club, Der Untergang, Watchmen, Armadillo, etc.). IWYW, — Aswad.

NuevaVida -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster Hello! Of course, masterpiece is a matter of opinion, but if we talk about a huge whole media it is safe to say that they would have some masterpiece. You watch TV. Ok. Comics - of course you do what you want, and I do not suggest that you should read comics. I only ask if you realise that you are missing important works of art. That's it. Yes, I watch TV, very very little of it. The works of art that are much more important and impressive to me are, for example, when I had the privilege to view Renoir's "Two Girls at the Piano" at the NYC Metropolitan Museum of Art, or Monet's "Waterlillies" at the SF Legion of Honor, or the Alcazar in Seville or the Alhambra in Granada, Spain, or Butchart Gardens in Canada, or Multnomah Falls in Oregon, or hearing Tony Bennett belt out "Fly Me to the Moon" a capella from a stage in Concord....or just sitting at the beach, watching the waves crash. For me, far better than looking at a box from my couch. If you haven't seen the above, do you realize YOU are missing important works of art? We all make choices - none of us can see ALL works of art, after all. So we see what's important to us.

LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida For example, "Gone with the Wind" was a movie masterpiece, but I hated it. Hate is a rather strong word, no? I can't believe you hated it, but at least you saw it. It's kind of one of those movies that you should see at least once in your life. The Sound of Music and Schindler's List are a couple of others. I have never seen Star Wars (yea, yea, I know), but I can still admit it was an amazing film.

NuevaVida -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:14:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida For example, "Gone with the Wind" was a movie masterpiece, but I hated it. Hate is a rather strong word, no? I can't believe you hated it, but at least you saw it. It's kind of one of those movies that you should see at least once in your life. The Sound of Music and Schindler's List are a couple of others. I have never seen Star Wars (yea, yea, I know), but I can still admit it was an amazing film. Yeah, I suppose hate is too strong a word. I didn't like it. I didn't enjoy it. I accept it as a classic, and understand that others loved it. I saw it for the reason you stated - a classic that should be seen at least once. Loved Sound of Music; I've seen it many times. Can't say I loved Schindler's List - it was far too emotional for me - but it was an important film and needed to be seen. Personally I didn't understand all the whoopla over "Gone with the Wind" - I saw a 3 hour film about a whiny, snotty girl who needed a reality check. But it was years ago that I saw it. Maybe if I saw it again I'd feel differently. But here's the thing - I can see a work of art and love it, hate it, or be indifferent to it (or anything in between). We all have our own responses to what moves us. I can also choose not to experience a work of art, in favor over other works of art.

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