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LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:25:11 PM)

Try reading the actual novel by Margaret Mitchell. I had seen the movie many times before I read the book. It had a lot more to it that simply wasn't in the movie. Although, yea, Scarlett is pretty much a brattie little girl.




ShaharThorne -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:41:30 PM)

I listen to TV a lot, especially if I am on the computer. Mainly game shows and NCIS. My music collection is on my MP3 player and I listen to that when I am on the bus traveling. I also got a kindle because I cleaned out about half of my library. One thing I refuse to get rid of is my comic books. I just got Batgirl #19 because it introduced the first transgendered character, making it a collector's item in my book.




cordeliasub -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:42:04 PM)

I think that one of the reasons that so many mediums of art, music, and entertainment exist is because people are.....unique, and not all people enjoy the same things. And....um...I am thinking that is not a moral failure, just a difference among people. I am a music lover, and I even like the minimalist stuff like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Not everybody likes them. I think they are cool and have some interesting musical value....but it really isn't going to rock my world if others don't agree. They like what they like. I like what I like. What's the problem?




theshytype -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 12:47:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I think that one of the reasons that so many mediums of art, music, and entertainment exist is because people are.....unique, and not all people enjoy the same things. And....um...I am thinking that is not a moral failure, just a difference among people. I am a music lover, and I even like the minimalist stuff like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Not everybody likes them. I think they are cool and have some interesting musical value....but it really isn't going to rock my world if others don't agree. They like what they like. I like what I like. What's the problem?


Well put and I agree 100%




Aswad -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 3:01:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I have never seen Star Wars (yea, yea, I know), but I can still admit it was an amazing film.


How can you "admit" it was an amazing film without seeing it?

That's like judging in absentia without evidence.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




MasterCaneman -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 3:14:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I have never seen Star Wars (yea, yea, I know), but I can still admit it was an amazing film.


How can you "admit" it was an amazing film without seeing it?

That's like judging in absentia without evidence.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


LL, if you ever get the chance, see it on the big screen rather than on a TV (unless its got a whopping big screen and sound system to boot). AND the un-remastered edition, if that's at al possible. Occasionally, art house cinemas will get hold of the "original" original (before Lucas redid it). I would love to be able to see that movie "for the first time" again.

Only if true masochist you are should you watch the prequels three, hmmmmm?


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CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 3:30:10 PM)

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Is there, out there, someone who intentionally does not buy or consume music?

That's a yes and no, lol. I'll explain... I do not listen to music on the radio. When I left WV at age 17 and then came back years later, the same songs were playing. My baby has grown up and is now in his twenties and...the same damned songs are still playing. I've got a choice here of early 80's music, oldies, and Christian, on two and sometimes three staticy radio channels. I would rather watch an old Disney movie with some wonderful music playing in the background (like during that rain scene in Bambi) than listen to music on the radio. So...the music I listen to is usually in a movie or tv show (on DVD). On very rare occasions (every several years, lol) I will listen to old favorite records.

Music affects my mood too much to listen to my favorites often. We're talking Barry Manilow and Billy Joel, so either it makes me very sad and lonely, and when I was single, making me sometimes feel almost crazed to get laid, or...um...intensifying a "screw you" attitude that I didn't find attractive. I used to have a George Winston album (no words, just music) I loved to listen to about 32 years ago, but the Kenny Rogers record...I used to enjoy listening to his music but...that music (especially a song called Ruby) used to affect my then current boyfriend's mood and he would get all snarly and mean and start fights with me over nothing. (His ex-wife had been caught en flagrante in their bed f*ing another man, so his reaction was from old ghosts.)

When I was a kid we had record stores, now I just see Walmart and some store at the mall having a bunch of really old stuff and other music I've never heard of. I'm not buying something I've never heard any part of and might hate.


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Guys, some of the best movies of this century are adaptations of comics! And the comics were even better! You can read comics to learn hardcore history, about tendencies of the future in the media ("Understanding Comics"), interesting lives ("Persepolis"), ancient legends ("300"), the recent past ("Maus", "Gorazde") or the current political reality ("Palestina").


Not in my area, lol. I live in a tiny town in the mountains in the middle of nowhere. The only comic books I know of are in the next town over, in a gamers store that sells Magic the Gathering cards. I think the comic books are old too, because they are in plastic sleeves.

In my entire life I've only seen the type of comic you described one time, when I was in 3rd grade. My teacher had some comics on a table, as part of stuff to do on rainy days when we couldn't go outside for recess. One was The Prince and the Pauper, and I've forgotten the name of the other one. It opened up a whole new world for me, to know that there were fun "books" like that to read. When I was a kid, cartoons were for Saturday morning, we didn't have a lot of books but were sent outside to play on sidewalks and parking lots. I only remember mom reading one book to me when I was little. She often did two shifts as a waitress and was too tired to do more than feed us and growl at us to get in bed. Babysitters sent us outdoors to play so they could snog in peace with their boyfriend, or else...enjoy watching tv all day long without interruption. I was in 5th grade and living in Fresno, CA before other kids at our apartment complex showed me "normal" comics. My family never took us to stores so we could see new ones, so I had to learn to shoot marbles and trade rare ones for some comics to get started on the comic book swapping that was going on among kids my own age. That year I read Spiderman, Superman, Superboy, and the Fantastic Four. (I had to trade mostly with boys, so I didn't even know that Supergirl or Spiderwoman existed until I was in 7th grade and living in Ohio, lol.)

All of the comic books I've ever seen (not counting that Prince and the Pauper) were full of "tits and ass", providing all the wank fodder a tween boy could ever need. I just don't swing that way and get sick and tired of the monotonous view. Oh, and the violence, terrible dialogue...blech. It was a relief to discover, when I lived in Los Angeles and worked in Westwood, a comic book store near my job that hooked me into reading a series I had never heard of before called Elfquest. The art work was lovely, so was the dialogue. It was the few, rare comics that didn't read like it was written by a horney 11 year old.


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So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format?


Got me on both. I don't watch tv either.
1) There seem to be more commercials than movie/show time.
2) I find most of the commercials very offensive and/or loaded with "tits and ass".
3) Some commercials trigger my PTSD.
4) I don't like my bladder being held hostage by the tv, where I have to do a pee pee dance while waiting for commercials so I can bolt upstairs to the bathroom, and race back down before the movie resumes. Am too old and gimpy for that, and going upstairs takes time if I don't want to have a nasty fall or trip over one of my cats (they like to twine themselves about my legs while I'm walking up the stairs).
5) If the phone rings, I can halt my DVD and resume at my leisure. You can't do that with tv shows.
6) I was visiting my ex-husband soon after 9/11. Nothing happy was on tv to give us some relief from the fear, sadness, and dread. The only thing playing on every blessed channel 24/7 was the destruction of the twin towers, etc.
7) I used to watch some tv by accident. When I'm eating at our local Chinese food buffet (there used to be a tv up on the wall but eventually it broke and they didn't replace it), and when I'm waiting at the hospital or at a doctor's office. The channels cannot be changed, the sound is usually so low that I cannot tell what's going on, and sometimes the show itself is very offensive. For example, I'm a game player and dearly love my Pokemon games. While I was waiting at my oncologist's office several years back the channel was on the 700 Club...and this show was spouting off how one of my Pokemon Dungeon games left the player open for demon invasion... *rolls eyes* Whenever I watch regular tv, by accident, I am fiercely reminded of why I don't watch regular tv at home. (Exception: My son watches Saturday morning cartoons...)
8) Of news, IMHO, there is more misinformation than honest, fair information. I would rather go online and read online newspapers there, from my own country as well as from others. Also, I learn more about current events by going to BDSM sites and reading from their Politics areas, lol. Watching all the knock 'em down, drag 'em out fights keeps things pretty fair and balanced, and I can easily become aware of both sides (or more) of an issue.

Years ago I read the newspaper because I thought I should. Advertisements. Lots of things I would never buy listed, cars and trucks I would never own, sports stuff that bored me silly (when I watched football I only noticed the snug uniform over butts), celebrities boinking other celebrities and praising to the skies the "wonderful" movies or tv shows the're currently in, sad stuff that human predators do to other people (believe me, I've heard it ALL and it's enough already), and political stuff. I'd read the first page, the comics, and Dear Abby. It wasn't worth the cost of the paper so I stopped. Keep in mind that I live in a very tiny town and sometimes the paper was only four folded sheets big. I get much better information online...and it's free...AND I don't have to worry about storing and recycling newspapers.

There are masterpieces of art and education available outside of records/CDs, comics and tv. We call them books and museums...and movies on DVD or whatever. [;)] I own eight (so far) floor to ceiling book cases, and need to get rid of several more shorter book cases to replace them with new floor to ceiling ones...these hold my thousands of movies and (mostly educational) books.

I'm almost forgetting something else that needs to be mentioned. I have PTSD and am prone to depression, so I am careful to avoid triggers unless I am ready to have them pushed and I am careful that my brain doesn't download too much depressing shiite. I don't have this kind of control when watching regular tv nor if/when I listen to the radio. With movies, I can read the blurb, read the reviews, see movie previews and find out if I want to rent it from Red Box or whatever, and possibly later on buy myself a copy. My family has been watching a lot of Netflix lately, mostly old tv shows like McHale's Navy, because we prefer shows that aren't geared toward intensifying ADHD (a dozen different angles in the blink of an eye or thereabouts), have non-combatant dialogue, and are generally less stressful than the newer shows are. When I watch tv shows on Netflix like Fringe and Stargate Universe, I have to back off after several shows to cut back on my stress level. We watch a Disney type cartoon movie, a comedy, or some documentary.

I cannot deal with shows that have child molestation or adult rape without my brain chemistry going out of whack. I made the mistake of watching Saturday Night Fever yesterday and that rape scene in the back of the car (the first guy she agreed to, because she was trying to make the lead guy jealous, suddenly realize he loved her and prevent them from having sex. When it progressed from making out to sex, she was devastated, realizing that he REALLY didn't care. She was begging the next guy not to get into the back seat with her, no sex, and to please stop but everyone ignored her while he did it anyway, even while she cried quietly). I am still f*d up from watching this and it will take me several weeks to get my head straight. If there had been some warning, I would never have bought it. Years ago, watching Prince of Tides messed me up for months. There are some tv shows that have this ugly stuff on every blessed episode... Nope, I'm not watching it. [:D]

I don't need anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds if I control the amount of cr*p my nerves have to handle. This works for me.[;)]




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 3:42:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I think that one of the reasons that so many mediums of art, music, and entertainment exist is because people are.....unique, and not all people enjoy the same things. And....um...I am thinking that is not a moral failure, just a difference among people. I am a music lover, and I even like the minimalist stuff like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Not everybody likes them. I think they are cool and have some interesting musical value....but it really isn't going to rock my world if others don't agree. They like what they like. I like what I like. What's the problem?


Ummm...where did I say that people aren't entitled to their own tastes?




cordeliasub -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 5:15:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I think that one of the reasons that so many mediums of art, music, and entertainment exist is because people are.....unique, and not all people enjoy the same things. And....um...I am thinking that is not a moral failure, just a difference among people. I am a music lover, and I even like the minimalist stuff like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Not everybody likes them. I think they are cool and have some interesting musical value....but it really isn't going to rock my world if others don't agree. They like what they like. I like what I like. What's the problem?


Ummm...where did I say that people aren't entitled to their own tastes?


That wasn't directed at you - sorry :)




dcnovice -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 7:27:46 PM)

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Try reading the actual novel by Margaret Mitchell. I had seen the movie many times before I read the book. It had a lot more to it that simply wasn't in the movie. Although, yea, Scarlett is pretty much a brattie little girl.

Scarlett is a lot more nuanced in the book than in the movie. She was a woman trying to protect her family and their home in a world where women weren't expected to wield power.

The movie went through a number of directors, and Victor Fleming (who got the directorial credit) dismayed both Vivien Leigh and Olivia de Havilland by saying he saw the picture as a melodrama. The two actresses continued to seek counsel from the pervious director, George Cukor, who'd been fired.

The book was a long-time favorite of mine, though in recent years it's been hard to stomach the Dixie nostalgia and racism.




FrostedFlake -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:03:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Try reading the actual novel by Margaret Mitchell. I had seen the movie many times before I read the book. It had a lot more to it that simply wasn't in the movie. Although, yea, Scarlett is pretty much a brattie little girl.

Scarlett is a lot more nuanced in the book than in the movie. She was a woman trying to protect her family and their home in a world where women weren't expected to wield power.

The movie went through a number of directors, and Victor Fleming (who got the directorial credit) dismayed both Vivien Leigh and Olivia de Havilland by saying he saw the picture as a melodrama. The two actresses continued to seek counsel from the pervious director, George Cukor, who'd been fired.

The book was a long-time favorite of mine, though in recent years it's been hard to stomach the Dixie nostalgia and racism.

And she wasn't as pretty as she seemed to be.




littlewonder -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:39:00 PM)

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So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format?



Call me a snob. I don't like comic books and I rarely like the movies that are made from them. I just find them boring. And I find most movies in general boring. Again, I'm probably one of those snobs you talk about. I'm ok with that.




DesFIP -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:45:39 PM)

I'd rather read a book.
Instead of reading comic books.
Instead of listening to music.
Instead of going to the movies.
Instead of watching tv.

And so on and so on.

L just prefer to read.




littlewonder -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:48:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I laugh when people say there is nothing good on TV.

There are excellent shows on the cable channels HBO, SHO, Starz, F/X, A&E, AMC, and yes, even network.

Sample:
Game of Thrones
The Borgias
Mad Men
Sons of Anarchy
The Americans
The Killing
True Blood
Dexter
The Following
Hannibal
Spartacus (just ended)

And then there are just the fun happy shows like The Voice.



UGH. I can't stand any of those shows. About the only thing I watch on tv is the news and maybe a couple shows like the Big Bang Theory and Dr. Who. Otherwise, the only reason the tv is on is for the background noise. Master comes over and asks what I'm watching. I rarely know. I haven't been watching it.

I'm extremely picky about what I like to watch and read. My reading tends to be geared more towards non fiction informational books such as scientific theory, biographies of historical people, how to learn a skill, books that will help me at work, etc....

You will rarely see me pick up a fiction book. I just find them generally boring, same as most fictional tv shows.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:59:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
so I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it as fiction
I do not understand. It is fiction. And I was giving samples of non-fiction. I was not telling that "non-fiction is better" or something like that, I was just giving samples of non-fiction, that's it. So, that would have been a valid reason why I did not mention it. The other being that I did not know it at all [:D] .

Best regards!

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
If you haven't seen the above, do you realize YOU are missing important works of art?
One thing is "important" (nobody can see all important works of art, as you say, you are right) and another is masterpieces. I do not realise that I am missing masterpieces of painting because I have indeed seen a lot of painting. If you had read a lot of comics, I would not expect you that you would realise that you are missing masterpieces. I am being neutral here: all media have masterpieces, I do not pretend to impose my criteria on anybody about which one is a masterpiece, but it is reasonable to suppose that if you miss a media at all, you are missing at least some masterpieces.
Architecture is different - the least of us can travel over the whole world to admire all masterpieces. And yes, I realise that I will never see personally some of them :( .
Anyway, thanks for your answer. You realise, as I realise on architecture. Your decision is therefore conscious and even if I must still ask myself why ("because I like it" does not answer why you like it), it is your free, informed choice. We can let it here.
Best regards.




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 8:59:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I have never seen Star Wars (yea, yea, I know), but I can still admit it was an amazing film.


How can you "admit" it was an amazing film without seeing it?

That's like judging in absentia without evidence.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



Perhaps "amazing" was not the right word. I have seen bits and pieces of it on television. What I mean is that it was, at the time, somewhat groundbreaking in the film industry, and even though I will never sit and watch the entire movie, I can admit that it had it's place in film history.

Is that better?




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 9:01:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I think that one of the reasons that so many mediums of art, music, and entertainment exist is because people are.....unique, and not all people enjoy the same things. And....um...I am thinking that is not a moral failure, just a difference among people. I am a music lover, and I even like the minimalist stuff like Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Not everybody likes them. I think they are cool and have some interesting musical value....but it really isn't going to rock my world if others don't agree. They like what they like. I like what I like. What's the problem?


Ummm...where did I say that people aren't entitled to their own tastes?


That wasn't directed at you - sorry :)



I thought it might have been a fast reply, but wanted to be sure. No worries. [sm=smile.gif]




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 9:02:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Try reading the actual novel by Margaret Mitchell. I had seen the movie many times before I read the book. It had a lot more to it that simply wasn't in the movie. Although, yea, Scarlett is pretty much a brattie little girl.

Scarlett is a lot more nuanced in the book than in the movie. She was a woman trying to protect her family and their home in a world where women weren't expected to wield power.

The movie went through a number of directors, and Victor Fleming (who got the directorial credit) dismayed both Vivien Leigh and Olivia de Havilland by saying he saw the picture as a melodrama. The two actresses continued to seek counsel from the pervious director, George Cukor, who'd been fired.

The book was a long-time favorite of mine, though in recent years it's been hard to stomach the Dixie nostalgia and racism.


Don't forget that in the book, she is very young, I think only 14 or 15. So her being a bit of a brat is reasonable. Did you read the sequel, "Scarlett?"




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 9:13:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub
There is no problem, as long as you realise that you are really missing masterpieces of art. If you realise it and you are ok with that, then... that was it. We all make choices. It is ok.
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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman
Only if true masochist you are should you watch the prequels three, hmmmmm?
Only foreigners the hardships of Yoda understand. Learning everything about the Force easy is. Not easy English grammar is.
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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia
There are masterpieces of art and education available outside of records/CDs, comics and tv
I take this as an implicit admission that there are also some within :) .
Your story is interesting, thank you for sharing. I consider sad that you could hardly get in touch which (what I consider) good comics, but mostly which (what I consider) garbage. Tits, superheroes and so on. This is like... "do you like paintings?" "Well, I saw many advertisments on the walls, but I do not consider them particularly interesting" "have you seen films?" "well, yes, washing product ads". It is sad. If you ever get interested, you can ask me about what to buy (on-line I suppose).
Best regards and a happy day!

Thank you all again for all the answers!




FrostedFlake -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/10/2013 9:42:11 PM)

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There's one day that I recall, though it was years ago.
All my life I will remember it, I know.
I'll never forget the day I read a book.
It was contagious, seventy pages.
There were pictures here and there,
So it wasn't hard to bear,
The day I read a book.
It's a shame I don't recall the name of the book.
It wasn't a history. I know because it had no plot.
It wasn't a mystery, because nobody there got shot.
The day I read a book ? I can't remember when,
But one o' these days, I'm gonna do it again.

Jimmy Durante and Jackie Barnett

I had'a.




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