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Aswad -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 5:38:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Is that better?


Yes. Now it's a class act. [:)]

IWYW,
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ARIES83 -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 6:32:29 AM)

I don't watch TV, what I mean when I say that is,
I have a Television however it isn't connected to
an antenna, and so I don't recieve locally
broadcast TV channels. The reason for that is, I
find most of what is broadcast around here boring,
mind-numbing or just plain garbage, that may
sound snobby, I just sincerely don't enjoy watching
it...
I have been without broadcast TV by choice for
around... 7 years I think, with a few exceptions.

I do watch movies, I decide what I feel like
watching, I download it and I watch it.

Almost everything I know I have researched on my
own whims through reading and the internet, and
judging by comparing my knowlage with friends
and family, I can say that I don't apear to have
suffered for it.

**Don't read newspapers either.**[:-]




Zonie63 -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 6:51:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
So... if you "do not read comics" or "do not watch television", are you at least aware, that you are missing the chance to enjoy masterpieces of art and education? That you are really missing something just because you reject a certain format?

Would be my question.


I used to watch television when I was younger. I was a real TV addict for many years. Once cable TV came to my city, I watched the broadcast networks less and less and mainly watched cable channels - documentaries, older TV shows/movies, news/weather. The shows on the major networks held less interest for me, because there was a wider variety of choices available.

I used to regularly read some comics, like "Peanuts," "B.C.," "The Wizard of Id," "Tank McNamara," and quite a number of others. I loved "The Far Side" and "Calvin and Hobbes" when they came out. I used to read "Doonesbury," but I lost interest in that comic over the years. I also used to read "Mad" magazine when I was a kid, but I outgrew that at some point in my teens.

I still watch TV, but mainly with my Roku box where I can get Netflix, Amazon, or other streaming services. I don't even have cable TV anymore. It's not that I'm a snob, but I just couldn't see paying that much money every month for commercials. They pile on WAAAAY too much with the commercials, so I wondered: What am I paying for? They're delivering a sub-standard product for a price that isn't worth it, with the added aggravation of commercials.

I once wrote to my cable company and asked if they could add The Sleuth Channel, since it had "The Rockford Files" and other old detective shows I liked. They didn't do it, yet they keep the Home and Garden Channel? Fuck the Home and Garden Channel; I wanted to watch "The Rockford Files" and those bastards wouldn't put it on. They kept taking out good channels and putting in crap channels (with tons of commercials). There have been times when I'd be up late looking for something to watch, and multiple channels would carry the same damn infomercial.

If they're going to show infomercials, then they don't deserve my business. Fuck 'em.

I feel similarly about radio stations. They have too many commercials and they play the same songs over and over and over again. Even the classic rock stations, which have three solid decades of thousands of songs to choose from - yet they play the same 20 songs over and over (and they're not even the best songs from that era). Fuck 'em.

If other people want to consume the media's produce and keep them in business, then there's nothing I can do about that. But if more people would take a stand and refuse to buy what the media have to offer, then maybe they'd be compelled to put out a better product.

I don't care that I'm missing something. I'm sure there's plenty in this world that I'm missing out on. It's impossible for any one person to see or hear everything that's out there. There are some people who missed "The Rockford Files" and never saw a single episode, but in my view, they've missed the greatest television show ever produced. (The entire series is available on Netflix, so they'll get my business - and no commercials. The cable/broadcast networks can go sit on their thumb.)





NuevaVida -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 7:06:51 AM)

I loved The Rockford Files!




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 7:22:55 AM)

FR:

The OP's assumption that a person doesn't watch TV b/c of some elitist attitude is one I personally find offensive.

We don't have cable. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy all kinds of TV serials and dramas, along with movies and documentaries which we get from Netflix or the library.

It has nothing to do with thinking 'we're too good' for commercial TV. It's the inane commercials that we abhor, that dumbing everything down to the lowest common denominator.

As for comic books, I manage to avoid them quite easily while reading several books, both fiction and non-fiction, a week. In fact, I just got back from my weekly trip to the library. Between Himself and I we checked out a dozen books, and that's routine for us.

Being of above average intelligence doesn't mean you can't enjoy 'I Love Lucy' reruns.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 7:39:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
FR:

The OP's assumption that a person doesn't watch TV b/c of some elitist attitude is one I personally find offensive.

I'm inclined to agree - hence my retort earlier.

OP seems to think that because we {*ahem*} 'intelligent' people decide to follow or shun any one or more mediums in favour of others (or none at all) and in doing so we are deliberately or otherwise depriving ourselves of "masterpieces" that he deems worthy of taking note.

Personally, despite OP's declaration of 'not assuming others taste', his whole demeanor is of distain for anyone who does not agree with his particular choice of medium or 'masterpiece'.

We each make our personal choice as to what we like or don't like.
It is a very concious decision and quite individual.
To have someone derize our choices is somewhat irksome, opinionated and downright rude and insulting.
And to opine that we are somehow "missing" something in the process is condescending.


ETA: You only "miss" something if it was of any importance to you. If it wasn't important to you, you haven't missed anything.
What other people consider important is of no consequence unless you share the same PoV.




cordeliasub -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 8:45:00 AM)

I do not feel I am missing out on masterpieces by not reading comics because I do not consider them masterpieces. Van Gough painted masterpieces. Monet, Jackson Pollack, Picasso, even Warhol.....

I get that it takes a LOT of talent to draw and paint comic books (more artistic talent than I will ever have for sure). But my personal definition of "masterpiece" is different. And that is perfectly fine. There is not a universal definition of masterpiece - there is only opinions, and thankfully, we do not all have to share the same one.




theshytype -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 10:06:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Being of above average intelligence doesn't mean you can't enjoy 'I Love Lucy' reruns.





One of, if not THE, best shows ever created IMO.




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 2:10:32 PM)

I have always said that when cable companies offer their packages, it should be the number of channels you want, with the ability to choose the channels. Personally, I enjoy some stuff on HG, but there are a lot of channels that I pay for as part of my "package" that I have no use for. I don't need 20 news channels, and I really don't need the Spanish channels.

However, I read somewhere that the cable companies have agreements with the major companies and when they add one channel the company makes them take the others, or something like that.





FrostedFlake -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 5:44:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I have always said that when cable companies offer their packages, it should be the number of channels you want, with the ability to choose the channels. Personally, I enjoy some stuff on HG, but there are a lot of channels that I pay for as part of my "package" that I have no use for. I don't need 20 news channels, and I really don't need the Spanish channels.

However, I read somewhere that the cable companies have agreements with the major companies and when they add one channel the company makes them take the others, or something like that.



Welcome to monopoly capitalism.




LafayetteLady -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 8:48:54 PM)

Frankly, I think they could make more money if they followed that model. There would always be people who would pay to have 100s of channels they would never watch, just like there are people who take the top packages and don't watch half the channels.




ShaharThorne -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/11/2013 10:38:26 PM)

Damn it, just give me GSN and GAC. I don't need the shopping networks when I have eBay!




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 2:41:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
The OP's assumption that a person doesn't watch TV b/c of some elitist attitude is one I personally find offensive.
I have not assumed this, but if you decide to believe it, be my guest.
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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
I see. But you look at TV series on your computer, sometimes?
And what about comics?
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
we are deliberately or otherwise depriving ourselves of "masterpieces" that he deems worthy of taking note.
I am not attempting to establish what is a masterpiece. But I would find it strange if you think that a media with millions of works has no masterpiece at all.
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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub
I do not feel I am missing out on masterpieces by not reading comics because I do not consider them masterpieces.
How can you qualify something which you do not know? if you do not read comics, how can you tell that none is a masterpiece? Care to explain, or there is no possible explanation of your criteria of what is a masterpiece?

Best regards to everybody!




LillyoftheVally -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 5:04:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
Guys, some of the best movies of this century are adaptations of comics! And the comics were even better! You can read comics to learn hardcore history, about tendencies of the future in the media ("Understanding Comics"), interesting lives ("Persepolis"), ancient legends ("300"), the recent past ("Maus", "Gorazde") or the current political reality ("Palestina").


You can of course do this by reading newspapers and books.

Thing is there is this tricky problem of personal taste. I have got some comics I have really tried to enjoy them but I simply don't I have not found a style I like I prefer reading a book. You are right that some films are adaptations of comics, the idea that they are the best films of the century is totally subjective and if it is true then why would you need to read the comic anyway, I mean if the film is so good?

I do agree that some people will not watch tv or read certain books or watch certain films due to elitism but simply not liking certain forms of media really is ok too. I can't stand 3D I don't care how beautiful people think it is because it really gives me a headache. I am all for personal crusades attempting to highlight brilliant art forms I really am, but the way to do it is to say 'look how awesome this is' not 'you are an idiot for not liking this'.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 6:49:49 AM)

Hello!

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
Thing is there is this tricky problem of personal taste. I have got some comics I have really tried to enjoy them but I simply don't I have not found a style I like I prefer reading a book. You are right that some films are adaptations of comics, the idea that they are the best films of the century is totally subjective and if it is true then why would you need to read the comic anyway, I mean if the film is so good?
Because the comic can be better. Recent example of me: "From Hell". Huge difference. Film is nice. Comic is a full thought and documented theory of Jack the Ripper plus additional doc and many interesting points on the Victorian era.
But it's ok... actually I was using this to explain that there are some comics which are masterpieces, also between the huge mass which has not been adapted to movies. Just that. "If they got *that* to movies then what else do they have?" :)
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
I do agree that some people will not watch tv or read certain books or watch certain films due to elitism but simply not liking certain forms of media really is ok too. I can't stand 3D I don't care how beautiful people think it is because it really gives me a headache. I am all for personal crusades attempting to highlight brilliant art forms I really am, but the way to do it is to say 'look how awesome this is' not 'you are an idiot for not liking this'.
I am not trying to convince everybody to read comics. Really not. But I just point out that, it being a full media with millions of works, if you absolutely do not read comics, then you are missing masterpieces. Same as if you aboutely do not see movies or absolutely do not listen music.
If you are just aware of this, I am happy and carry on. Everybody its priorities, everybody its tastes, and I do not even enter to judge which can be your reasons.

For example: have you read or attempted to read any of the comics I mentioned in the first posting?




FrostedFlake -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 7:40:39 AM)

OMG, the shopping network!

I had forgotten. It all comes back to me now. There is a REASON I don't have a TV. And it isn't MY stupidity.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 9:13:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I am not trying to convince everybody to read comics. Really not. But I just point out that, it being a full media with millions of works, if you absolutely do not read comics, then you are missing masterpieces. Same as if you aboutely do not see movies or absolutely do not listen music.
If you are just aware of this, I am happy and carry on. Everybody its priorities, everybody its tastes, and I do not even enter to judge which can be your reasons.

For example: have you read or attempted to read any of the comics I mentioned in the first posting?


I do see your point, however I always see it as something to feel a little sorry for people about. I agree with you insulting something you haven't tried is never a good thing and I believe people miss out by doing so. Again though I chose the way that I say this with a bit of care, you got peoples backs up for a reason. Sometimes live and let live works.

As to whether I have read those comics, no I haven't. I wanted to enjoy comics so I went and bought comics about things I generally enjoy, think vampires and x-men but I really couldn't get along with them. Thats not to say I completely rule them out I am sure there are some that I have not tried that I would enjoy. I can't get away from the whole personal taste thing though, so vampires because its my thing. I have said to people 'this book is totally amazing' they have asked what its about and I have told them and they have shrugged and said it is not for them. I think fine, because I assume that people get to a point and they know or at least think they know what they are into. If they went and read the books they wouldn't enjoy them because they were coming at it from a point of view that it would be rubbish. Does that make sense?




LittleGirlHeart -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 10:47:19 AM)

Sxyred 1 just because you like the shows you mention, does not mean others will find them good.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 11:44:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
I am not trying to convince everybody to read comics. Really not. But I just point out that, it being a full media with millions of works, if you absolutely do not read comics, then you are missing masterpieces.

There you go again!!
Putting your spin on what YOU consider a "masterpiece".

If someone just doesn't like the comic media, there's no way in hell will you ever convince them that they are 'missing' some "masterpiece".
If you think it's a masterpiece, that's fair comment.
But to imply that everyone else not liking or reading comics is missing out on "masterpieces" is just pure utter rot and insulting.
Not everyone has your idea of what is, or is not, a "masterpiece".
Just because it's a full medium with millions of works doesn't, in itself, make it a "masterpiece".

For someone like me, a comic is nothing better than emergency ass-wipe paper. Nothing more.
What comics or snoozepapers we are given we use to line the chipmunk cage to soak up the pee & poo.
I think it's all they are worth using for - certainly not going to waste my time reading them!
And I certainly would not classify any of them as "masterpieces".
Popular, maybe. Masterpieces???? NOO WAY!

So, to make such a self-opinionated statement such as -
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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
...if you absolutely do not read comics, then you are missing masterpieces.
Qualifies you for inconsiderate ass-hat of the year award.




Paladinagain -> RE: About people who do not watch TV or read comics. (5/12/2013 11:52:25 AM)

When is someone going to file an antitrust suit against the cable companies like they did to AT&T ?
They did it in europe and the cost dropped by 80% and their internet speed is twenty times what it is in the US.
Lobbyists are illegal. The senators and congressmen are SUPPOSED to be the peoples lobbyist, not bought and paid for corporate stooges.




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