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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 6:40:36 AM   
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Is it not accepted that the youtube video wasn't the cause of the Benghazi attack, and that it was a premeditated attack by al Qaeda-affiliated terrorists?

It seems pretty clear that you accept this but do you have some sort of validation so that others might also?


Really? You disagree that the attack in Benghazi wasn't due to a youtube video?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/05/democrats-now-critical-rice-benghazi-explanation-amid-more-damaging-evidence/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack
    quote:

    Initially, there was speculation that the attacks were a spontaneous response to a video, Innocence of Muslims,[11][12] but a U.S. State Department investigation found that it was a premeditated attack by Islamist militants.[13]


Link to citation #13:
    quote:

    The report appeared to break little new ground about the timeline of the Benghazi attack during which Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens, information specialist Sean Smith and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods – who were contractors working for the CIA – were killed. Stevens' slaying was the first of a U.S. ambassador since 1988.
    But it confirmed that contrary to initial accounts, there was no protest outside the consulate and said responsibility for the incident rested entirely with the terrorists who attacked the mission.
    In the immediate aftermath of the attack, administration officials linked the attack to the spreading protests over an American-made, anti-Islamic film that had begun in Cairo earlier that day. Those comments came after evidence already pointed to a distinct militant attack. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on numerous TV talk shows the Sunday after the attack and used the administration talking points linking it to the film.


Not enough proof for you, though, right?

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 12:04:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Is it not accepted that the youtube video wasn't the cause of the Benghazi attack, and that it was a premeditated attack by al Qaeda-affiliated terrorists?

It seems pretty clear that you accept this but do you have some sort of validation so that others might also?


quote:

Really? You disagree that the attack in Benghazi wasn't due to a youtube video?


That would require a statement...please notice the question mark.

The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue. No responsibility was shown in the links provided, only speculation. To say that they were "terrorists" one needs to ascribe to the fiction that there is some entity called "terror" against whom we have declared war and the soldiers of that entity are necessarily called "terrorist" much as those against whom the drug war is fought might ncessarily be called druggist(drug dealers).
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?



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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 3:52:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, there have been 7 known attacks on American Embassies under Oblamers watch. For only being in office 4 years, that's comparable to the 8 year Bush administration.

The issues here not the fact that people died. That is an unfortunate risk of foreign service in any administration. The issue is the ongoing attempt at a cover-up. Within hours of Bin Laden being killed the entire world knew what happened in the White House from the moment the Seals hit the ground. The Bengazi cover up has been so complete that 6 months later we still don't have any idea what actions Obama took, what orders he gave, or even what he knew about the situation. We do know that the Ignorant Fuck in Chiief was so apathetic about Ambassador Stevens death that he didn't even stop campaigning. Other than that we don't know if his inaction was simply a result of his usual incompetence, criminal negligence, or an overt criminal act.

Liberals are a pretty ignorant bunch of sheeple though and believe just about anything they're told to believe. If they had any sense at all they would also be demanding answers about Bengazi, the IRS scandal, the shit economy, the ballooning deficit, the Obummercare fiasco, Fast and Furious, and every other possibly criminal scandal this administration has been involved in. Everything this buffoon is responsible for (or irresponsible for....) affects them too. The AP is finding that out now. The reason it's important to hold government accountable is because government always represents you even when it's not your guy in office. When people don't hold their own party accountable, they have no argument when the opposition acts badly.

If it's acceptable for this President of the United States of America to lie to the people, act negligently, or engage in possibly criminal activities then liberals are giving permission to all future Presidents to lie to the people, act negligently, or engage in possibly criminal activities. But liberals are fools, and don't realize that by whining about Bush to justify something comparable to whatever Oblamer is doing, they are essentially saying that that what what Bush did was acceptable. By that measure, should the Republicans ever get a complete incompetent like Barack Inane Obama elected, then it will perfectly acceptable for that President to do whatever the fuck he wants as long as he can say "But... but... wahhhhh! Obama did it!"

Administrations change. If Barry Soetoro is the standard by which the President of the United Stated of America is to be held to, liberals are in for a world of hurt when the power shifts back to the conservatives.

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 5:21:05 PM   
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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 5:26:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote:ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote:Is it not accepted that the youtube video wasn't the cause of the Benghazi attack, and that it was a premeditated attack by al Qaeda-affiliated terrorists?

It seems pretty clear that you accept this but do you have some sort of validation so that others might also?
quote:

Really? You disagree that the attack in Benghazi wasn't due to a youtube video?

That would require a statement...please notice the question mark.

Actually, my "Really" question is marked incredulity that you don't know that the video wasn't the cause.

quote:

The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue. No responsibility was shown in the links provided, only speculation. To say that they were "terrorists" one needs to ascribe to the fiction that there is some entity called "terror" against whom we have declared war and the soldiers of that entity are necessarily called "terrorist" much as those against whom the drug war is fought might ncessarily be called druggist(drug dealers).
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?


I see you two-stepping and puking bullshit all over.

The wiki quote - again -
    quote:

    Initially, there was speculation that the attacks were a spontaneous response to a video, Innocence of Muslims, but a U.S. State Department investigation found that it was a premeditated attack by Islamist militants.
(citation #'s removed this time for clarity)

We have a statement here that says that initially, the speculation was "A." With a comma and then the next phrase starting, "but..." means that the first part ("A") wasn't correct and the following portion is. So, we have speculation that it was a youtube video and more in the very same sentence states that was incorrect and that the attack was premeditated (meaning, not a spontaneous reaction to a video). Basic rules of English there.

The other quoted section from that same post:
    quote:

    The report appeared to break little new ground about the timeline of the Benghazi attack during which Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens, information specialist Sean Smith and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods – who were contractors working for the CIA – were killed. Stevens' slaying was the first of a U.S. ambassador since 1988.
    But it confirmed that contrary to initial accounts, there was no protest outside the consulate and said responsibility for the incident rested entirely with the terrorists who attacked the mission.
    In the immediate aftermath of the attack, administration officials linked the attack to the spreading protests over an American-made, anti-Islamic film that had begun in Cairo earlier that day. Those comments came after evidence already pointed to a distinct militant attack. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on numerous TV talk shows the Sunday after the attack and used the administration talking points linking it to the film.


Please note the italics and bolded sections. I didn't include that those sections were italicized and bolded by me in the previous post. Completely my fault. Those sections did have font manipulation done for emphasis.

Understanding that a youtube video wasn't to blame in Benghazi shouldn't be difficult for people with at least a working grasp of English language sentence structure rules.



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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/16/2013 5:27:49 PM   
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I know it's a bit goofy, but I can't resist sharing this.


LMMFAO!!!




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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 6:25:07 AM   
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Actually, my "Really" question is marked incredulity that you don't know that the video wasn't the cause.


The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 6:26:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Actually, my "Really" question is marked incredulity that you don't know that the video wasn't the cause. /quote]
The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.


Reading is Fundamental.

Get on with your big bad self, though.

Enjoy.


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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 6:31:49 AM   
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We have a statement here that says that initially, the speculation was "A." With a comma and then the next phrase starting, "but..." means that the first part ("A") wasn't correct and the following portion is. So, we have speculation that it was a youtube video and more in the very same sentence states that was incorrect and that the attack was premeditated (meaning, not a spontaneous reaction to a video). Basic rules of English there.


The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue. No responsibility was shown in the links provided, only speculation. To say that they were "terrorists" one needs to ascribe to the fiction that there is some entity called "terror" against whom we have declared war and the soldiers of that entity are necessarily called "terrorist" much as those against whom the drug war is fought might ncessarily be called druggist(drug dealers).
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?



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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 6:32:55 AM   
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Understanding that a youtube video wasn't to blame in Benghazi shouldn't be difficult for people with at least a working grasp of English language sentence structure rules.


The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue. No responsibility was shown in the links provided, only speculation. To say that they were "terrorists" one needs to ascribe to the fiction that there is some entity called "terror" against whom we have declared war and the soldiers of that entity are necessarily called "terrorist" much as those against whom the drug war is fought might ncessarily be called druggist(drug dealers).
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 6:35:52 AM   
thompsonx


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Status: offline 		quote]ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Actually, my "Really" question is marked incredulity that you don't know that the video wasn't the cause. /quote]
The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.


Reading is Fundamental.

Get on with your big bad self, though.

Enjoy.


The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?


< Message edited by thompsonx -- 5/17/2013 6:37:29 AM >

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 11:57:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote]ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote:

Actually, my "Really" question is marked incredulity that you don't know that the video wasn't the cause.

The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.

Reading is Fundamental.
Get on with your big bad self, though.
Enjoy.

The cites provided validate only that it was a premeditated attack. The role of the vidio has yet to be assessed but the cites provided do not comment to that issue.
So now we are down to the fact that some armed folks did a premeditated assault on an entity that has declared war on it. That is what I see...what do you see?

Step 1: Click Here.
Step 2: For any other questions, see Step 1.

Enjoy

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 2:29:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, they don't validate it.  They opine it, and perhaps the video was the straw.  Just as good as all the other pudpounding to date.

We now have elided from a sinister cover-up into a what?

LOL.

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RE: 13 "Benghazis" That Occurred on Bush's Wa... - 5/17/2013 5:39:56 PM   
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