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Owner59 -> Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/11/2013 5:41:46 PM)

"Author of Study on Immigrants’ I.Q. Leaves Heritage Foundation"


"Jason Richwine, a senior policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation who argued in a graduate school dissertation that Hispanic immigrants were less intelligent than white Americans, resigned from his post with the foundation on Friday.

“Jason Richwine let us know he’s decided to resign from his position,” the Heritage Foundation said in a terse e-mail statement. “He’s no longer employed by Heritage.”

The Heritage Foundation had already come under criticism from both Democrats and Republicans for the study on the costs of the immigration proposal, and news of Mr. Richwine’s outside writings further undercut the organization’s attempt to help shape the immigration debate from the outside.

Supporters of the immigration bill welcomed Mr. Richwine’s resignation.

“Racism and xenophobia have no place in the debate on immigration reform, period,” said Jose Antonio Vargas, the founder of Define American, a pro-immigration group. “I hope this is a lesson for all sides that what the public is looking for is a fair and honest debate on immigration reform, not long discredited racial theories designed divide us rather than unite us.”



http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/author-of-study-on-immigrants-i-q-leaves-heritage-foundation/?ref=us




DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 6:28:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
"Author of Study on Immigrants’ I.Q. Leaves Heritage Foundation"
"Jason Richwine, a senior policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation who argued in a graduate school dissertation that Hispanic immigrants were less intelligent than white Americans, resigned from his post with the foundation on Friday.
“Jason Richwine let us know he’s decided to resign from his position,” the Heritage Foundation said in a terse e-mail statement. “He’s no longer employed by Heritage.”
The Heritage Foundation had already come under criticism from both Democrats and Republicans for the study on the costs of the immigration proposal, and news of Mr. Richwine’s outside writings further undercut the organization’s attempt to help shape the immigration debate from the outside.
Supporters of the immigration bill welcomed Mr. Richwine’s resignation.
“Racism and xenophobia have no place in the debate on immigration reform, period,” said Jose Antonio Vargas, the founder of Define American, a pro-immigration group. “I hope this is a lesson for all sides that what the public is looking for is a fair and honest debate on immigration reform, not long discredited racial theories designed divide us rather than unite us.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/author-of-study-on-immigrants-i-q-leaves-heritage-foundation/?ref=us


If all the data collected and compiled showed that the IQ of the average Hispanic immigrant was lower than the average IQ of white Americans, is that really bigoted? If he had said that the IQ's of Hispanic immigrants was lower because they were Hispanic, then, absolutely, that's bigoted. But, that hasn't been shown, now has it?




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 10:35:23 AM)

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If all the data collected and compiled showed that the IQ of the average Hispanic immigrant was lower than the average IQ of white Americans, is that really bigoted? If he had said that the IQ's of Hispanic immigrants was lower because they were Hispanic, then, absolutely, that's bigoted. But, that hasn't been shown, now has it?


Until one has read his disertation one has no idea what he said.Perhaps reading it might give some clue why he resigned. If there was nothing bigoted in the disertation then why did this punkassmotherfucker resign?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 10:44:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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If all the data collected and compiled showed that the IQ of the average Hispanic immigrant was lower than the average IQ of white Americans, is that really bigoted? If he had said that the IQ's of Hispanic immigrants was lower because they were Hispanic, then, absolutely, that's bigoted. But, that hasn't been shown, now has it?

Until one has read his disertation one has no idea what he said.Perhaps reading it might give some clue why he resigned. If there was nothing bigoted in the disertation then why did this punkassmotherfucker resign?


Accurate or not, bad press leads to an awful lot of negative happenings. Surprised you can't see that.




TheHeretic -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 10:53:04 AM)

DS, have you ever had throwing someone a sympathy fuck end well?




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 11:14:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

DS, have you ever had throwing someone a sympathy fuck end well?

Have you?




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 11:16:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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If all the data collected and compiled showed that the IQ of the average Hispanic immigrant was lower than the average IQ of white Americans, is that really bigoted? If he had said that the IQ's of Hispanic immigrants was lower because they were Hispanic, then, absolutely, that's bigoted. But, that hasn't been shown, now has it?

Until one has read his disertation one has no idea what he said.Perhaps reading it might give some clue why he resigned. If there was nothing bigoted in the disertation then why did this punkassmotherfucker resign?


Accurate or not, bad press leads to an awful lot of negative happenings. Surprised you can't see that.




Then you have read his disertation?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 11:59:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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If all the data collected and compiled showed that the IQ of the average Hispanic immigrant was lower than the average IQ of white Americans, is that really bigoted? If he had said that the IQ's of Hispanic immigrants was lower because they were Hispanic, then, absolutely, that's bigoted. But, that hasn't been shown, now has it?

Until one has read his disertation one has no idea what he said.Perhaps reading it might give some clue why he resigned. If there was nothing bigoted in the disertation then why did this punkassmotherfucker resign?

Accurate or not, bad press leads to an awful lot of negative happenings. Surprised you can't see that.

Then you have read his disertation?


Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.




Paladinagain -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 12:01:46 PM)

I live with them on a daily basis and the one thing that becomes crystal clear, very quickly is that they are indeed, as a race ,a stupid people.




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 12:20:10 PM)

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Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.


One has to wonder how one can actually have an opinion about something that they have not read.




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 12:22:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Paladinagain

I live with them on a daily basis and the one thing that becomes crystal clear, very quickly is that they are indeed, as a race ,a stupid people.

I read somwhere that the richest man in the world is a mexican.
I read somewhere that a past president of coca cola was a mexican.
I would be interested in the criteria one uses to come to such a foolish conclusion about the intelligence of a whole country full of people he has never met.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 1:00:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: Paladinagain
I live with them on a daily basis and the one thing that becomes crystal clear, very quickly is that they are indeed, as a race ,a stupid people.

I read somwhere that the richest man in the world is a mexican.
I read somewhere that a past president of coca cola was a mexican.
I would be interested in the criteria one uses to come to such a foolish conclusion about the intelligence of a whole country full of people he has never met.


[sm=agree.gif]

Good call.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 1:13:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.

One has to wonder how one can actually have an opinion about something that they have not read.


When the media blasts him over his assertion that the Hispanic immigrants have a lower IQ, on average, I put it out that their assertion isn't proof of his being a bigot. Where do I have to read the dissertation to point out that their assertion doesn't show that he was a racist, based on their reasoning?




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 1:27:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.

One has to wonder how one can actually have an opinion about something that they have not read.


When the media blasts him over his assertion that the Hispanic immigrants have a lower IQ, on average, I put it out that their assertion isn't proof of his being a bigot. Where do I have to read the dissertation to point out that their assertion doesn't show that he was a racist, based on their reasoning?


Pehaps they had read the disertation and felt qualified to comment on it. That is how rational people form opinions...they educate themselves about the parameters of what they are commenting on. When one fails to educate oneself before opening their mouth they often find it filled with their foot.




dcnovice -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 2:19:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Paladinagain

I live with them on a daily basis and the one thing that becomes crystal clear, very quickly is that they are indeed, as a race ,a stupid people.

Oh my.




TheHeretic -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 2:35:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
Oh my.



Seems to me like someone isn't getting their need for abuse taken care of at home.




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 2:55:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
Oh my.



Seems to me like someone isn't getting their need for abuse taken care of at home.


Now dick that was funny. Lucky for me my key board is splash resistant but there is coffee everywhere




DesideriScuri -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 3:37:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.

One has to wonder how one can actually have an opinion about something that they have not read.

When the media blasts him over his assertion that the Hispanic immigrants have a lower IQ, on average, I put it out that their assertion isn't proof of his being a bigot. Where do I have to read the dissertation to point out that their assertion doesn't show that he was a racist, based on their reasoning?

Pehaps they had read the disertation and felt qualified to comment on it. That is how rational people form opinions...they educate themselves about the parameters of what they are commenting on. When one fails to educate oneself before opening their mouth they often find it filled with their foot.


Speaking from experience there, thompson?

Was I wrong in my assertion that what the media reported wasn't necessarily racist?




dcnovice -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 3:52:15 PM)

FR

A pair of interesting quotes, via The Nation, from Richwine's dissertation:

“No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”

“From the perspective of Americans alive today, the low average IQ of Hispanics is effectively permanent.”




thompsonx -> RE: Another Bigot Leaves Heritage Foundation..... (5/12/2013 3:52:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Nope. Not interested at all. The reasoning presented in the press does not indicate anything. Since that is what was presented, that is what I'm going on.

One has to wonder how one can actually have an opinion about something that they have not read.

When the media blasts him over his assertion that the Hispanic immigrants have a lower IQ, on average, I put it out that their assertion isn't proof of his being a bigot. Where do I have to read the dissertation to point out that their assertion doesn't show that he was a racist, based on their reasoning?

Pehaps they had read the disertation and felt qualified to comment on it. That is how rational people form opinions...they educate themselves about the parameters of what they are commenting on. When one fails to educate oneself before opening their mouth they often find it filled with their foot.


Speaking from experience there, thompson?

Was I wrong in my assertion that what the media reported wasn't necessarily racist?



This from the newspaper article:
In a 2009 dissertation for a public-policy doctorate at Harvard University, Jason Richwine, the co-author, wrote that Hispanic immigrants generally had an I.Q. that was “substantially lower than that of the white native population” — and that the lower intelligence of immigrants should be considered when drafting immigration policy.

“Immigrants living in the U.S. today do not have the same level of cognitive ability as natives,” wrote Dr. Richwine, who is a senior policy analyst at Heritage. “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach I.Q. parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-I.Q. children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us/heritage-analysts-dissertation-on-immigrant-iq-causes-furor.html?_r=0




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