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LafayetteLady -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 9:25:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
You could be right, but I disagree for a couple of reasons. I don't think Clooney is that shallow. Yes, he is a playboy, but he seems to always date those less famous than him, but still celebrity, which makes for a difficult relationship in Hollywood.

There is also the publicity factor. Brad Pitt's popularity rating is pretty high (as is Clooney's). That would plummet for anyone who dumped her, and that would not be beneficial to them. I'm not saying that is what is making Pitt stay, since in other interviews (before this happened) he talks about how much she means to him. But he certainly would lose his popularity almost 100% if he dumped her, which also means he would be unable to get any work, because no one would want to see his movies (I currently don't care to see his movies anyway).

I think there are 2 big differences between Clooney and Pitt.. and that is the length of time they have had with the women in their lives & kids.. yes, Clooney is a playboy so you really dont expect the women to last all that long with him.. and he has also never had kids with any of them.. but Pitt has been with Angelina for a long time and they have quite a few children.. that puts a very different slant on things to me.. If Pitt did split with her, I dont think a drop in Pitt's rating would be cuz she has a strong rating, I think it would be cuz he would be breaking up their family.. (I think both of their ratings would drop).. People still want families to stay together, the couple to grow old together, still in love with each other and buck the trend, especially for Hollywood.. I hope they are indeed such a couple..


They haven't been together that long, although by Hollywood standards....

You have to remember, only I think 2 of the children are biologically his. Now, I was adopted, so I do know that the others are his since he adopted them. But the point is that most of those children Jolie had before she even had a relationship with him.

No, if he split with her immediately after she had the mastectomy, no one would care about the "breakup of a family" (and people don't much care about that anymore). It would be that he dumped her because she had her breasts removed. And his rating would indeed plummet.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 9:30:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: samboct

Now I'm getting puzzled by where the 87% chance cited came from. According to this NCI fact sheet found here: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/BRCA women who carry the BRCA1 gene have about a 5x greater risk of developing breast cancer than the rest of the population. Furthermore, the NCI is noting that double radical mastectomy does not remove the cancer risk and does not discuss whether it reduces risk at all- but instead suggests use of a drug- tamoxifen, as a prophylaxis. This recommendation is much more in line with the researchers I've spoken with. Furthermore, there are other behavior modifications which also reduce risk such as exercise and weight reduction, both of which in Angelina's Jolie's case, are likely to already be in compliance.

In short, although there is an assumption that she could afford the best of care, I am questioning the reasons for her decision. I suspect that there are a number of other folks in the research community who are similarly surprised.

Sam


Do you really not understand that she made the decision that was best for her, and it doesn't matter if you or a dozen PhD.s' question her decision?




samboct -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 11:28:46 AM)

Excuse me- but she's being touted as an example for women everywhere to emulate. So when Angelina Jolie gets up and says that I had this treatment done and people applaud this decision- then it damn well better be good medicine since people like me are going to question it. Should we applaud a foolish decision too because she "knows" what's best? Women don't have a monopoly on being right- or wrong in this case. Furthermore- from my perspective- gender has nothing to do with it. Steve Jobs also had lousy medicine until it was too late- do you see him being held up as an example for men everywhere?

Breast cancer researchers question the efficacy of double radical mastectomies finding that while the procedure is effective in some cases, there is the possibility that less aggressive surgery would be just as effective. As the NCI document points out- treatment options for breast cancer are evolving quickly today and I think there are better options and most researchers would agree. She had conservative treatment- the same treatment that would have been the standard of care 20 years ago.

Sam




LafayetteLady -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 5:08:19 PM)

Well, you obviously don't understand what she is being applauded for. Hint, it isn't the surgery.




TallullahHk -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 8:12:36 PM)

I'm biting my tongue here.

She is being touted as a woman who took the information gathered by medical professionals and made a decision that was best for her and her family. Have you read the op-ed piece she wrote? It's titled "My Medical Choice". SHE made the decision to take a course of treatment that made her feel best about HER LIFE and her families future. No where does she say she "knows" best. No where is she encouraging women to remove their breasts. No where is she cavalier about the decision that was best for HER. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/opinion/my-medical-choice.html?_r=0

Steve Jobs chose to shun conventional medical treatment until it was too late to do anything to save his life, which was very much an option had he made a different choice. He took the information given to him and made a CHOICE to use 'alternative' treatments. He had the best medical care money could buy and he CHOSE a course of treatment.

It's about choice and options. No one can force you into a medical treatment no matter what the medical professionals think. AJ advocates for women being armed with information that will help them make the best decision for THEMSELVES.

You seem to really be missing the point.




littlewonder -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (5/31/2013 9:46:10 PM)

What Angelina is advocating for is for women to understand they have options, they have choices and that they need to research their own health and bodies and not just take what they are told. Many women just go along with what the doctor tells them instead of researching and learning. That's really all she is doing....teaching women to take a stand for themselves.




RochesterDomme -> RE: Angelina Jolie had a "preventative double mastectomy" NY Times (6/3/2013 11:27:34 AM)

With all this discussion regarding brac-1 gene, I'd like to mention a movie coming out soon that looks interesting. "Decoding Annie Parker"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoding_Annie_Parker

Basically it's about two women and the discovery of the gene and its link to breast cancer.




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