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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Yes, even Atheists... (5/28/2013 8:24:33 AM)
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
That's pretty much what I was taught with the exception that Jesus was actually nailed to a tree because the romans thought his crime was so heinous that he didn't even deserve the luxury of a cross. They wanted to show that they saw him as the lowest of the low and even beneath common criminals.
And incidentally, the Mrs was also taught the same thing as well because I asked her before I made that post.
I was born and raised in Kent until I left the area in my early 30's and lived elsewhere.
The Mrs was born near Brighton and spent her life near Malvern since she was aged 4 and her mum was catholic.
What's the odds of two completely unrelated people, of different faith backgrounds, being taught the very same religious 'story' in different areas of the country nine years apart? Those odds have gotta be very very slim don't you think?
Euhm if they story gets around, it's very likely that such a thing would happen.
I'd like to see some references for the idea that Jesus was nailed to a tree please. Any singular scholarly source you can come up with that supports this idea will suffice.
My father has a PhD in Church history, and wroth several books on the subject of Jesus and the crucifixion, I've proofread for him and discussed stuff like this at length, and it is my understanding that you're going off a mistranslation of the Greek word xylon (ξύλον) which means:
I. wood cut and ready for use, firewood, timber (in these senses the word is usually in the plural);
II. piece of wood, log, beam, post or an object made of wood, such as a spoon, the Trojan horse, a cudgel or club, an instrument of punishment (a collar for someone's neck, stocks to confine his feet or to confine his neck, arms and legs, a gallows to hang him, or a stake to impale him), a table, a bench as in the theatre;
III. a tree
IV. a blockhead or a stubborn person;
V. a measure of length.[7]
Or the Latin word crux which means "a tree, frame, or other wooden instruments of execution, on which criminals were impaled or hanged" and "in particular, a cross"
There is nothing in the New Testament that speaks of the shape of the wood Jesus was nailed to, however, it was specifically mentioned that Jesus carried the wood he was nailed to, which means that the idea that he was nailed to a rooted tree, instead of a piece of wood that may or may not have been cross shaped, is rather ludicrous. What is far more likely is that Jesus was nailed to a simple straight stake, or a T shaped shake, as both where common methods in the day. Especially when considering the alternative of the root words in question, it should be rather clear that any translations of those words to mean "tree" as in a literal rooted tree are most likely inaccurate translations of the original, and what was meant instead are some of the other available meanings to those words.
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