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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 11:27:52 AM   
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That wasnt what I said, nor what the OP said, I never suggested anyone need disclose all conversations. Your own reply to me actually hit the nail on the head. The moment they decided to meet he should have told her he was chatting to another Domme and explained the relationship.


Why would I disclose who I am "friends" with to someone I am just meeting for the 1st time and have no established relationship with?



You may not, many people like to be upfront from the start. That doesnt make them wrong.




If any male dominant had behaved the way the OP is when I was still searching, he was quickly shown the door. Before I met him and decided if he was someone worth spending more than an hour and a cup of coffee with, who I talked with (romantically or otherwise) was absolutely none of his business. I didn't owe him anything, and this male sub doesn't owe the OP anything either.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 11:30:02 AM   
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Thats as maybe but it doesnt make anyone taking the opposite stance wrong. If the OP expected to be given such info it is clearly her perogotive.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 12:06:28 PM   
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Thats as maybe but it doesnt make anyone taking the opposite stance wrong. If the OP expected to be given such info it is clearly her perogotive.


I agree she can expect anything she likes.
However, if she didn't communicate those expectations or if the other party doesn't agree to them her getting so upset says a lot.

But again, the OP was given that information when she meet the sub for the 1st time. So it's not like he was withholding the information.

ETA: I can expect to wake up with a million dollars in my bank account tomorrow morning. Doesn't mean it's realistic. Just say'n.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 12:10:39 PM   
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The OP said that she didn’t mind him talking to his friend about in general things, but that he shared intimate conversations with her.

Does it matter at all, that the guy was sharing her conversations, private conversations with another, without telling her that he was doing so, during a time when anyone talking to someone would be finding some basis for trust or proof that they couldn‘t trust? Just because some don't share all when they first meet someone, doesn't mean that others won't be an open book thinking they see something in someone and the conversation flows over the course of two days, weeks or months. No one can tell everything simply because of time factors, but if I am talking to someone, I don't care what the dynamics are, I don't care how long I have known them... I don't care if we have said... this is private, have you spoken to others or anything else…we are trying to build trust and in the course of that, we could be sharing something private about our lives and a few weeks is enough time to get pretty private with some people. You can still have reserve and share a special little tid bit and someone is taking that tid bit without your knowledge, to someone else. Someone’s past experiences could effect how they view that.

This is someone that they have asked to help them know what to do or how to 'act' with you. However that is phrased, the simple fact is that they are asking someone else how to proceed with you based on shared information. If there wasn't enough time to be that involved... then what could be so vital a need that one would need the counsel of another when you are a healthy adult? We don't know what was said, shared or agreed to. We may differ on what is wise to do or advisable, but people do many things and sometimes pay a price for it. We don't know if they had seen each other around for years or if they just met online with no background. We simply don't know enough and I think we sometimes think because we do things a certain way... and find it true and best... often project that upon others and expect them to do so as well. (I know I have done this.)

Have you ever shared something private and close to your heart with a near stranger? Have you ever shared something you might think every day stuff and yet it becomes more personal when you know it is being forwarded? Have you never felt anything for someone you never met? Have the words or actions of another you never met, ever affected you? Ever talked to or met someone and felt an immediate connection, good or bad?

Have you ever said something in upset that you later realized was influenced by that upset? Doesn't matter what the reason for the upset was. Did you ever reach out to get some feedback, while upset and worded things badly, left out details or anything that could change things?

Until we wear the shoes of another and clearly know those shoes and the path they walk... mostly what we can offer are good guesses, assumptions and what we know in a similar situation. I think we all have made mistakes. I know I have. Summed something up based on a sentence or a chapter of someone’s words or life and got it wrong. I may have gotten other situations mostly right or may have some correctness in a summed up opinion, but was wrong somehow.

Personally, I have had something similar happen and the dominant friend, had wanted this person for a long time, but it couldn’t happen… that is… until he and I didn’t work out. Lots happened over that… I mean a lot. I now take a harder stand on certain friendships and the information that is shared about me. It only takes one dramatic person with a big mouth and agenda, to mess with your world. Even if it isn’t life devastating, it can be irritating.

People on these very forums have varied experiences and some met online and felt something for one another, met and were together for years from that day on. Some have feeling for people, sincere or not that they have never met. Just think of some of those people that created a storm around here and you may recall, the upset, the pain, the anger, etc. that some have felt as a result of a pixilated poster, maybe with an agenda. The OP’s situation could be misread… could be exactly or worse that it appears… but isn’t so blasted, outrageous, insecure or fucked up that she be tarred and feathered. Just because we don’t do something the way she ‘may’ have… doesn’t mean she doesn’t have every right to do it, considering we don’t know all the facts.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:27:35 PM   
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Ok so after a few weeks of texts and phone calls met up with a sub who I thought had potential that suited me. During dinner he offers up that he knows a Domme in HI(we are in MD)only via online contact, and though they have never scened and she is just a friend, he has kept this from me.

Just a note: For all those who are getting all excited because the OP was trying to disrupt the relationship of her potential new sub and his dear "friend," it says above he knows the other domme only "via online contact." It doesn't appear that he was seeking sage wisdom from a near and dear friend but another domme "online." Leaving out all the other points people have brought up, that changes things a bit for me. Old pal is one thing. An online stranger from Hawaii (seeing as how they are in MD, the chances of getting together for coffee are probably pretty slim) is another..........luci


People can develop friendships online, especially when they have no one in the "real" life to talk to about things. Her being dominant is irrelevant. He sees her as a friend. It doesn't matter whether you do or not, because it is only his perception that matters. That's right HIS perception. The OP's perception is obviously prone to fly in the face of reason, so she certainly doesn't have her feet firmly grounded in reality.



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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:28:40 PM   
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The problem I have is the word "secretly". If it is a friend, why is it secret?

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:31:43 PM   
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I suggest several pillows around the base of that pedestal. A fall from that height...

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:32:15 PM   
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That wasnt what I said, nor what the OP said, I never suggested anyone need disclose all conversations. Your own reply to me actually hit the nail on the head. The moment they decided to meet he should have told her he was chatting to another Domme and explained the relationship.


Why would I disclose who I am "friends" with to someone I am just meeting for the 1st time and have no established relationship with?



You may not, many people like to be upfront from the start. That doesnt make them wrong.



No, it is NOT ok for someone you are just talking to to expect that you will disclose who your friends or family with. In fact, someone doing so is a HUGE red flag. It's waving a banner of their head saying, I will control who you have in your life.

Just like we would never advise a female sub that it was ok for a dominant male to presume D/s before meeting, neither should a male sub expect it or a female dominant. For all he knew, even though they talked on the phone and set a date to meet, she could have not shown up. This flake obviously would have told him to stop talking to his FRIEND, and then if she didn't show, or there was zero chemistry when they met, where does that leave him? It leaves him looking like a fool so desperate for a relationship he would dump his friends in the HOPE of having a relationship.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:33:02 PM   
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Okay, some guy you think you have a chance with, keeps a secret that he is sharing your secrets. How do you feel and what the hell do you call it? He told her after the fact. That to me could be called a secret... even if not kept for very long. Personally, I don't know what he shared, but I can think of a number of things I might share with a new man in my world, that I wouldn't want him sharing without my prior knowledge.

Call it insecure, overly sensitive, anal or whatever you want. There is no crime in sharing or wanting privacy.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:33:42 PM   
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Again you misinterpret my words, I suggest you re-read.


No one is misinterpreting what you said. Oside was reading your words exactly as written. If you meant something else, perhaps you should be a bit clearer about it.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:36:06 PM   
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Thats as maybe but it doesnt make anyone taking the opposite stance wrong. If the OP expected to be given such info it is clearly her perogotive.


Ok, let's even go with that for a moment. Did she ASK him and he lied? Nothing in her OP indicates that she bothered to ask. Rather she took the position that she was all that and a bag of chips along with the idea that since there are so many more male subs than doms, he couldn't possibly be talking to any other.

Oh wait, that would be assuming something that wasn't written, just like you.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:41:37 PM   
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Lockit,

Have you never been excited about a potential new relationship and shared details with a girlfriend? This is really no different. Yes, they are online, and for all he knows he could be friends with some guy behind the computer screen, but they had this online friendship before he even knew the OP existed. Perhaps he is a bit new to the whole D/s thing and needed some advice on how to act. Newbies post those kinds of questions, with details, on the boards all the time. And we are more strangers to them, than this woman (who happens to be a domme) is to this guy, since they had been chatting for a while.

Really, I can't help but take note of the fact that if this were in Ask A Master, and the roles were reversed, this woman would be getting the benefit of the doubt.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:43:18 PM   
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The problem I have is the word "secretly". If it is a friend, why is it secret?



That was the OPs term but if he told her about it how is that a secret?

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 3:51:35 PM   
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Lockit,

Have you never been excited about a potential new relationship and shared details with a girlfriend? This is really no different. Yes, they are online, and for all he knows he could be friends with some guy behind the computer screen, but they had this online friendship before he even knew the OP existed. Perhaps he is a bit new to the whole D/s thing and needed some advice on how to act. Newbies post those kinds of questions, with details, on the boards all the time. And we are more strangers to them, than this woman (who happens to be a domme) is to this guy, since they had been chatting for a while.

Really, I can't help but take note of the fact that if this were in Ask A Master, and the roles were reversed, this woman would be getting the benefit of the doubt.


Yes and no. It depends on the information shared. I may give some basics, but at that stage or until later on when an issue might come up, I wouldn't. I am an adult whether I have been in the lifestyle or not, I am an adult. I might even suggest that one or both of us share with someone at some point and have even had some go public on a forum and discus a topic.

The OP stated that he is not a newbie and I assume he is an adult. If there were such serious issues that he needed to ask someone about... then there may be bigger problems than they might consider in sticking around with or for. However, I can't see anything so serious that an adult would need counsel on, rather than to communicate... with someone you go on to actually meet, that would suggest that sharing private conversations a good thing.

What domina one wants, likes or wants to have happen isn't what domina two wants. Talk to the domina in the picture. We go on and on about communication around here and then we put limits on when it is okay to talk about things or inform... who you can and cannot share with and start looking like we limit conversation between adults because they do it wrong. If I don't want a new guy to me or a guy I rushed in with, talking about what I share with him, I have that right. He has a right to share... or could... but then he also has the right to walk the fuck right off my phone, messenger and email.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 4:01:26 PM   
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Okay, some guy you think you have a chance with, keeps a secret that he is sharing your secrets. How do you feel and what the hell do you call it? He told her after the fact. That to me could be called a secret... even if not kept for very long. Personally, I don't know what he shared, but I can think of a number of things I might share with a new man in my world, that I wouldn't want him sharing without my prior knowledge.

Call it insecure, overly sensitive, anal or whatever you want. There is no crime in sharing or wanting privacy.




I don't share "secrets" with people I've never met before. I'm not that stupid.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 4:08:16 PM   
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Okay, some guy you think you have a chance with, keeps a secret that he is sharing your secrets. How do you feel and what the hell do you call it? He told her after the fact. That to me could be called a secret... even if not kept for very long. Personally, I don't know what he shared, but I can think of a number of things I might share with a new man in my world, that I wouldn't want him sharing without my prior knowledge.

Call it insecure, overly sensitive, anal or whatever you want. There is no crime in sharing or wanting privacy.




I don't share "secrets" with people I've never met before. I'm not that stupid.


That was a turn of a phrase. You may think it stupid, but someone else might consider it open communication. What I share with someone may not be a secret, but I still may not want it shared with someone unknown to me. For example: It is only fair that I tell any prospective partner some of my medical information. No secret in lots of places that I have them and some of what they are... but I may not want it advertised the symptoms I may share with him so that he can know whether he actually wants to meet me or not. That isn't stupid... that is being fair and giving someone choices.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 4:26:07 PM   
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One way to think about this, perhaps, is that it's as though the guy was Under Protection of this online domme. Some people are ok with that; others aren't. I won't approach a woman under protection, because I want a lady who is confident in her own boundaries. But not every decent person (or quality romantic partner) has that confidence.

I still don't understand why the OP was so angry. You should always assume, 100% of the time, that every email you send, and every video call you do, might some day end up in a court of law, or on a "look at the creepy PM I just got" venting site. It's a simple matter of the two of them not being compatible. She's not looking for someone under protection, and he hopefully isn't looking for someone who doesn't accept responsibility for her own communication.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 4:52:50 PM   
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The problem I have is the word "secretly". If it is a friend, why is it secret?

The OP said it was "secretly," but was he actually trying to keep it a secret? Or was he just thinking he didn't have to tell her because they just then finally met face-to-face?

Otherwise, yes, I share things with a good friend. I don't share the juicy details necessarily. The OP said "He was sharing our intimate private conversations" but then she said they were ""mostly Vanilla conversations," so which one was it really?

I wouldn't want someone to share intimate details w/ a third person about my conversations with him either but, if they were "mostly Vanilla conversations," how "intimate" would they really be?

The bottom line is, each person is different in what s/he thinks are proper boundaries and acceptable behavior. All I can say is, back when I was a sub, if I were just then meeting a Dom face-to-face for the first time and he gave me crap for talking to another Dom who really was just a friend, I'd be out of there. I'd have felt like he was trying to Dom me from the outset where there was no dynamic yet. NOT okay by me.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 5:50:32 PM   
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Rawni- I can agree with you on that. As well as what you said NBMG.

I was reading more into the title than the thread.
I was thinking the sub belonged to someone and was secretly talking to another dominant.
My bad.

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RE: Sub secretly chatting with other Domme - 5/27/2013 6:20:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53



That wasnt what I said, nor what the OP said, I never suggested anyone need disclose all conversations. Your own reply to me actually hit the nail on the head. The moment they decided to meet he should have told her he was chatting to another Domme and explained the relationship.


Why would I disclose who I am "friends" with to someone I am just meeting for the 1st time and have no established relationship with?



You may not, many people like to be upfront from the start. That doesnt make them wrong.



No, it is NOT ok for someone you are just talking to to expect that you will disclose who your friends or family with. In fact, someone doing so is a HUGE red flag. It's waving a banner of their head saying, I will control who you have in your life.



Got to love the idea of telling others what is or isnt okay for them to ask. I havent said anyone is compelled to answer, just that anyone is entitled to ask anything they please.

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