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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:46:52 AM   
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A spanner,  in English is also a term of abuse, referring to a dull or stupid person, ie - 'that bloke's a right spanner'



Never heard that one - must be local. Here in Bristol they call a dimwit a 'doughnut'. That was new to me when I arrived here some twenty years ago.


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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:48:26 AM   
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Okay, so if this is a torch...



Then what do you call this thing?





American street lights?


Hey now, I think you're forgetting who invented the light bulb.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:52:34 AM   
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A typical conversation in Lawrence county AL:

Would you go git me a Coke?

Sure, what kind?

Mountain Dew please



Also, names like Jim, Beth, Jeff, and Pam all have two syllables

And subject verb agreement is almost non existent.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:54:24 AM   
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Cordelia...soooo true! LOL

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:55:47 AM   
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When your car needs fuel, you fill it with GAS (or maybe diesel), but not "petrol."


To give it its proper name, it is Petroleum fluid (or liquid) - hence "petrol" for short.
Gas describes something in a gaseous state (as opposed to a liquid or solid).
Hence we cook with gas (usually natural gas or in some places, 'town' gas - but its gas, not liquid.
Some cars actually use GAS (LPG) which is Liquid Petroleum Gas.
So when you fill your car - do you use gas or gas.... which is it?? How fucking confusing!!


Petroleum is the stuff that comes out of the ground that is processed and made into gasoline. "Gas" is just short for "gasoline." We also use the term "natural gas" in other contexts.

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I drive a pick-up truck, but I'm not in the habit of giving my truck a female name, so "lorry" is out of the question.

Lorry as a name is spelt as "Lorrie" - not with a Y, and usually capitalised, unlike the large vehicle.


I've seen the name spelled as "Lori," although I knew one who spelled her name "Lory."


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Another thing: It's called "soccer" not "football." It's an "apartment," not a "flat." When are you Brits ever going to get it right?

Well.... We invented the fucking game so OUR definition is the true one.
It was actually invented by a scotsman. lol. But not an American!
Only YOU call it soccer - everyone else in the world calls it football.
And seeing as you've only been a country for a couple of centuries.... Who is right??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_association_football

According to this, the term "soccer" actually originated in England, as a shortening of "association football." So, we're just using the word that YOU invented for the game. This map indicates that it's not everyone else in the world either:



I have to admit I chuckled a bit at looking at the "disputed" category.

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And then there's the different spellings of words, like "color," "flavor," "realize," "theater," "program," etc. I realize (heh) that the standardization of both American English and British English took place after the Revolution, so that may have something to do with it. Although we were English colonies, my understanding is that the language and spelling were slightly different from place to place, both in the Colonies and in Britain itself.

Most of the words you refer to are olde English and hence have the U in them.
Only those in the US removed the U's.
The same for words with S that Americans have replaced with a Z.
I put that down to the fact that the original founders of the USA were pilgrims and farmers and the like - badly educated (if at all) so couldn't spell for toffee.


Well, not all of us. We had our educated upper caste as well.

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As for words like "theatre" and "litre" etc, they originate in French and that's how they spell it.
So we use the word with it's correct spelling.
Again, only the yanks have changed it.



Actually, as I understand it, changes took place in both countries, as the standardization of both languages took place after the Revolution. The only question is who changed it more, the Yanks or the Brits? I don't have time to look for it just now, but I remember reading something about the British wanting their language to appear more elegant, which is why they incorporated certain French spelling rules. For example "colour" is more like the French "couleur" than the more practical American spelling of that word. The British spelling of "programme" is exactly as it is spelled in French.

So, we Yanks stuck with the English language we knew before we became independent, whereas the Brits were the ones tweaking the language afterwards. We stuck with the original, just as we kept the English system of measurement as opposed to that ridiculous French system you guys switched to. We're more English than you are!



I don't ever recall petrol being referred to as gasolene - only in the US, not in the UK.
So you've used the wrong word and shortened it, to cause even more confusion.

And for football - it is not restricted to just 'Association football' but footbal in general.
Check Wiki.
"Of the 45 national FIFA (Fédération Internationale de Football Association) affiliates in which English is an official or primary language, 43 use football in their organisations' official names (only Canada and the United States use soccer). ... Australia's association football governing body changed its name from soccer to football to align with the general international usage of the term. In 2006, New Zealand decided to follow suit citing 'the international game is called football'"
So I also dispute your definition of where 'football' is used.

Most of our changes in the English language occured after most of the pilgrims went to America.
And, like most of our exports to Aus and other places, nobody of any real education was ever sent to the colonies because it was viewed almost as a punishment to be sent there.
So for the majority, they were indeed very uneducated and barely grasped the written word let alone being properly literate.
And you will have noticed that most of our words haven't really changed that much. We have incorporated many European words into our native tongue (mainly due to the switching of alliances by our Henry) but nowhere near to the extent that the Americans have bastardised it over the two centuries you have been given it.
Even those in far-flung colonies such as Canada, Auz, New Zealand et all haven't butchered the spelling of most words - only the yanks have dome that.
And I still say that it went that way because most were illerate and couldn't write, let alone spell.
And it evolved that way over time because you (general, past generations) were vehemently against the mother country so didn't bother with using the correct spelling or in some cases, even the correct context.
Add to that, you lot even mispronounced the alphabet and invented new words for things which already had a name - just to be different.

As for measurements - yours is not the same as ours even before we went metric.
Thats why people need conversions for US gallons and Imperial Gallons (used everywhere else in the world) because you even changed that!!

So I dispute that you are even more English than we are.
You like to think so but nothing could be further from the truth.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:58:25 AM   
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Also, names like Jim, Beth, Jeff, and Pam all have two syllables

And subject verb agreement is almost non existent.




I remember getting a call at work one time, and someone was asking for "Mr. Bayle."

I said, "Mr. Bayle? I don't think we have anyone by that name."
"Yes, you do. He just called me!"
"Could you spell the name please?"
"B-E-L-L...Bayle."
"Ah, okay, you want to speak to Mr. Bell. I'll go get him."

On another occasion, I was working at a restaurant, and some lady asked for "meal." I was thinking "oatmeal" or "corn meal," but after she said a couple times, I heard a muffled "k" sound at the end. She was asking for "meelk," or "milk" as most of us know it to be.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 11:03:58 AM   
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Hey now, I think you're forgetting who invented the light bulb.

Are you one of those illiterate ones who think Edison invented the light bulb??

Think again!!

Who Invented The Light Bulb?
Starting in the early 1800s, inventors looked for ways to convert electricity into light. Sir Humphry Davy, an English physician, successfully passed an electric current through platinum strips in 1801. Unfortunately, the strips evaporated quickly and Davy was unable to create a light that lasted more than a few minutes.

In 1809 Davy created what would become known as the Arc lamp. He made an electrical connection between two charcoal rods connected to a battery. The light from this was very bright but small.

For the next 50 years, others sought ways to lengthen the amount of time the light source would remain. In 1840 Warren de la Rue, a British scientist, placed a platinum coil in a vaccum tube. When he passed an electric current through it, light was formed. This design was efficient and the light lasted longer, but platinum was very expensive which made it impossible to be distributed on a commercial level.

In 1841 Frederick de Moleyns of England was given the first patent for an incandescent lamp. His design used powdered charcoal. He heated this material between two platinum wires in a vacuum bulb.



Edison only perfected the technique so it could be manufactured on a large scale.
He didn't "invent" it - a Brit did!

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 3:17:08 PM   
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A spanner,  in English is also a term of abuse, referring to a dull or stupid person, ie - 'that bloke's a right spanner'

Actually, the abusive term is a "spanee" (or "spanny"), not 'spanner'.
My OH uses it all the time as do all of her friends who live over in that neck of the woods.


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Now I know you colonists can't spell, but, you can't get away with calling it American English, it's just bad English. If you're going to balls my native tongue up, call it American, but, not English .

My sentiments exactly!!


Aah, a fellow Brit, Bang on old chap !

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 3:20:22 PM   
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Lets keep this thread light & fun shall we ?

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 3:27:48 PM   
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Also, names like Jim, Beth, Jeff, and Pam all have two syllables

And subject verb agreement is almost non existent.




I remember getting a call at work one time, and someone was asking for "Mr. Bayle."

I said, "Mr. Bayle? I don't think we have anyone by that name."
"Yes, you do. He just called me!"
"Could you spell the name please?"
"B-E-L-L...Bayle."
"Ah, okay, you want to speak to Mr. Bell. I'll go get him."

On another occasion, I was working at a restaurant, and some lady asked for "meal." I was thinking "oatmeal" or "corn meal," but after she said a couple times, I heard a muffled "k" sound at the end. She was asking for "meelk," or "milk" as most of us know it to be.

"When I die, I sure don't want to end up in hail."


Hi Zonie,  There's a comedy duo, The Two Ronnies, If you want a laugh over English pronunciation, youtube 'Four candles'. Its worth a punt !

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 3:28:59 PM   
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Aah, a fellow Brit, Bang on old chap !

Sometimes ya gotta show these upstart yakees who did what when and how. lol.

They couldn't spell, so they invented bad spelling and think it's right.
They couldn't remember a lot of things so re-invented words for things that already had a name.

And because most didn't even know their alphabet, they re-invented how to pronounce it - and they still think they are right! lol.

And have you noticed, that even the phonetic alphabet is in English all around the world - except for the USA?

Sheeesh!
I'm surprised they managed to be coherent amongst themselves.
Oh wait... They aren't.
They can't even agree on standard laws that apply country-wide.
Each state has it's own laws that frequently seem to be at odds against the federal laws.
No wonder the poor buggers are so confused. lol.


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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 3:33:10 PM   
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Aah, a fellow Brit, Bang on old chap !

Sometimes ya gotta show these upstart yakees who did what when and how. lol.

They couldn't spell, so they invented bad spelling and think it's right.
They couldn't remember a lot of things so re-invented words for things that already had a name.

And because most didn't even know their alphabet, they re-invented how to pronounce it - and they still think they are right! lol.

And have you noticed, that even the phonetic alphabet is in English all around the world - except for the USA?

Sheeesh!
I'm surprised they managed to be coherent amongst themselves.
Oh wait... They aren't.
They can't even agree on standard laws that apply country-wide.
Each state has it's own laws that frequently seem to be at odds against the federal laws.
No wonder the poor buggers are so confused. lol.




Again,  lets keep it light shall we ?

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 5:14:23 PM   
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I have been mulling on the line about American English and British English (Correctly known as ENGLISH)

Simply put, in the UK it is standarised, whilst in the US it is bastardised..... I hope this helps.

Regards gallons, the original English gallon, aka Queene Anne gallon, was used to measure wine. It was equal to the modern US gallon and measured in Volume. We changed ours in 1826 with the weights and measures act which standardised it as weight (10lbs water = 1 gallon)

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 5:16:14 PM   
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And the Nigerians? Are they bastards as well?

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 5:19:23 PM   
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And the Nigerians? Are they bastards as well?



This makes no sense.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 6:10:30 PM   
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I have been mulling on the line about American English and British English (Correctly known as ENGLISH)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4Ps55Rx40

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 6:34:10 PM   
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Lets keep this thread light & fun shall we ?


Seconded. Gawd, let's not get into the old crap again.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 6:36:53 PM   
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FD, I do think this subject can be a bit more sensitive than I once thought. Let's not stamp on each others corns, eh?

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 7:37:03 PM   
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someone always goes to far...thirded.

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RE: Americans friendlier than Brits? - 6/7/2013 10:58:53 PM   
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Shenandoah valley in Virginia has its version of the Hatfields and the McCoys.. the Morris and Shiflett clans.
Took me quite a while to figure out that very few people were actually *named* 'Maaarsh'.


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub
Also, names like Jim, Beth, Jeff, and Pam all have two syllables

And subject verb agreement is almost non existent.




I remember getting a call at work one time, and someone was asking for "Mr. Bayle."

I said, "Mr. Bayle? I don't think we have anyone by that name."
"Yes, you do. He just called me!"
"Could you spell the name please?"
"B-E-L-L...Bayle."
"Ah, okay, you want to speak to Mr. Bell. I'll go get him."

On another occasion, I was working at a restaurant, and some lady asked for "meal." I was thinking "oatmeal" or "corn meal," but after she said a couple times, I heard a muffled "k" sound at the end. She was asking for "meelk," or "milk" as most of us know it to be.

"When I die, I sure don't want to end up in hail."



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