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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:00:47 AM

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This whole thing just screams scam to me. You have no idea what's true and what isn't. For all you know, the 2nd ad was put up by her, or her boyfriend/husband, just for some added kick. Or it's real, and there are 30+ messages out there with you agreeing to abuse and rape a 3rd party. Even if you'd talked to her under the 1st ad, when you showed up at her room it was to rape an unsuspecting "stranger". Forget evidence for him to blackmail her with, do you realize how much evidence he has to do exactly the same to you?

You keep saying that you're covered, but you're not. You agreed to commit a criminal act, actually several related criminal acts. The planning and discussion alone is enough to nail you with a conspiracy charge. Then you traveled to the location and started to perform the kidnap/assault/rape. You can report all this, but you're not admitting to poor judgement, you committed a crime.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:07:34 AM

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I wonder what the story would be if you got your dick up.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:08:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder
So you didn't actually rape her, but you were planning to and you think that's okay? Just because you 'couldn't get it up' doesn't make things okay. It's still attempted rape. I'm just completely fucking baffled about you wanting to save her but turning up to try to rape her anyway. Why not just talk to her before you tried to put your penis in her? Common sense, get some.

She had had a mild rape fantasy to begin with. In some ways I questioned if this second CL AD was about her getting that. That that was what it was all about. Anways, I did not go through with it. Afterwards, when we talked... she herself was good with it. In fact, she wanted to plan to get together again. We talked voice for a few days afterwards. So she was accepting of it and not stunned at all. By the way... I never tried to put my penis in here!! That fucker was a complete limp bisquit at the times. So we needed to talk before I even tried. this is why I had put her against the wall, hand flat on the wall and legs spread to walk away... get a beer and have a moment to myself. Cause there was no way in Hell this shit was going down this way!! Not without her knowing it was me... and after having a sit down talk face to face.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:16:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

So you didn't actually rape her, but you were planning to and you think that's okay? Just because you 'couldn't get it up' doesn't make things okay. It's still attempted rape. I'm just completely fucking baffled about you wanting to save her but turning up to try to rape her anyway. Why not just talk to her before you tried to put your penis in her? Common sense, get some.

I really was not planning on raping her!! My comments about my dick not being hard... was to make certain it was clear that I could not even do this! I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried. So this was frustrating for me. The blind folding part.. is about the size of the rape scene. !! along with me getting her to stand against the Wall like I did. Actually extremely short lived rape scene if you could call it rape!! More like a captive scene... followed by making her put hands on walls.

The Dudes which set this up... Make it very clear for her to Obey whoever showed up!! She was willing to Obey and did just that!! So it's a crazy consent game anyways. Wierd.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:18:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

I just got off the phone with a Girl at the National Sexual Assault Hotline!! It was an intense conversation... Yes tell her that I'm into BDSM and kinky stuff and explain to her all this madness.

The girl brought up a good point, that there's a good chance that these Guys are doing the same things with other women!!
That this is not right. So, what I've embarked upon make spare other women of the same treatment and use.

I need to contact the main office during business hours for somebody which can be of more assistance tomorrow,
and I'm also going to waive my right to keeping this confidential.. where they are free to share this information
and my interaction with authorities. I want a high degree of transparency to exist. However, I'm going to go
with the advice that the National Sexual Assault Online is going to provide.

Did she want you to do this? Once again, IF she is a victim here, then it's up to her, not you. It seems that you are building up some huge fantasy here of being a saviour.

I've been involved in sexual assault enquiries and I can't fathom what they're going to be able to do with this information. Did she actually say these people were setting her up to be attacked? Did she say that this was all non-consensual?

You might not like this but I can't imagine that you're going to save anyone from anything doing this. If she doesn't want to report this, there is no case.

Did you really tell the sexual assault hotline that you agreed by email to rape a woman, turned up but couldn't get it up so shared a beer and then engaged in some consensual BDSM with her? What the heck did they say about your part in all of this?

I can think of a lot of reasons why she might not want anyone involved in this. She was the other guy all along. It was a scam that somehow failed. She was in on it and wanted the other guy to do it, and since he is a friend doesn't want him arrested over this. She's not ready to talk about it. She doesn't want to go through the gruelling criminal justice system. SHE doesn't want to be outed. She has a child, and doesn't want social services getting involved (which they might well be, considering she apparently let her child meet the man who arranged to come over and rape her).

You say in one breath you're walking away, and in the next breath that you are entangling yourself further. You need to let go of the superhero fantasy. You used some very poor judgement getting into this situation. Now you are attempting to make yourself the heroic martyr for someone who may not want your help and is unlikely to benefit.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:18:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

I just got off the phone with a Girl at the National Sexual Assault Hotline!! It was an intense conversation... Yes tell her that I'm into BDSM and kinky stuff and explain to her all this madness.

The girl brought up a good point, that there's a good chance that these Guys are doing the same things with other women!!
That this is not right. So, what I've embarked upon make spare other women of the same treatment and use.

The big problem is, she enjoys rape fantasies. In my past relationship, alot of things my x-dom did to me could be seen as abuse by these vanilla folks. I don't know, things like that could really make vanilla folks over-react.

I just wish there was some way you could know for sure that she's not in on it.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:20:52 AM

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And she didnt want to be his prostitute, but pays a debt off for a friend by being raped by a stranger (whilst she has a mild rape phantasy)? Ehm....

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:21:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike

This whole thing just screams scam to me. You have no idea what's true and what isn't. For all you know, the 2nd ad was put up by her, or her boyfriend/husband, just for some added kick. Or it's real, and there are 30+ messages out there with you agreeing to abuse and rape a 3rd party. Even if you'd talked to her under the 1st ad, when you showed up at her room it was to rape an unsuspecting "stranger". Forget evidence for him to blackmail her with, do you realize how much evidence he has to do exactly the same to you?

You keep saying that you're covered, but you're not. You agreed to commit a criminal act, actually several related criminal acts. The planning and discussion alone is enough to nail you with a conspiracy charge. Then you traveled to the location and started to perform the kidnap/assault/rape. You can report all this, but you're not admitting to poor judgement, you committed a crime.

This is the most Scariest ride I face!! However, I can't let this fear prevent me from doing the right thing. These guys were smart enough to tie those loops into the mix. Manipulation. I also did write him a nice letter openly admitting to telling him a lot of bullshit fantasy stories to feed his ass. I have a copy of that too.. that a lot of what I told him was pure Bullshit. So this can and will get rather interesting! I'm prepared and willing to go all the way to where this needs to go!!

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:24:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KittyDeVille
I wonder what the story would be if you got your dick up.

I would have taken the blind fold off I think... and let her know it was me.
and went at it from there. I was half tempted to at this point in time anyways.
I just decided to get up and leave the room for a beer and come back...
recompose myself and figure out the best way to spring it on her that it was me there.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:26:45 AM

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I agree that you shouldn't let fear prevent you doing the right thing. I don't think you're doing the right thing. I think you're feeding on the drama. This is less about this woman, and more about your misplaced need to be a hero.

Truthfully, I don't think anything terrible will come of this. I think it's about a 90% chance that the people in the rape crisis centre will take polite notes and all this will fizzle out. I think it's about 10% chance that you'll end up getting yourself and this woman in a whole heap of unproductive trouble and bring a lot of grief to your family - maybe with the authorities, maybe just by getting this woman beaten by her pimp. For me, that would be an unacceptable risk. Maybe it's worth it to you.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:28:07 AM

Whiplashsmile4

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KittyDeVille
And she didnt want to be his prostitute, but pays a debt off for a friend by being raped by a stranger (whilst she has a mild rape phantasy)? Ehm....

Exactly, which is why my trust tanked up in here!! This stuff does not ADD up right. Which is why I have had a time dealing with what is or is not the truth!!
Personally, I'll let the police sort this shit out. Pull everybody's email and cell phones and text message and splice it all together in some investigation. I give up on this mental mind fuckery here.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:44:39 AM

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Why couldnt the drugs addicted friend take up her own debt.
And frankly if I were you, I would hope this blows away. You are no way near a hero, why arent you able to see that? How did you know it was her? Introducing yourself by putting a blindfold over her? Then she would have recognized you dont you think?

The whole story doesnt add up from either party in it.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 1:44:45 AM

Greta75

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Okay, it would be nice if you could keep us updated on what happen.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 4:48:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
I had responded to another CL listing (similar in nature) on Monday.
I had asked her if it was a AD for her, just to make certain before
responding to it. On Monday I responded to it. Thinking at the very
least another Play Date partner to hook up with.

I'm going to assume here that both ads mentioned Rape Play, which is
what drew your attention to them in the first place. What I don't understand
is the need to find out ahead of time if it was Girl #1 or not, if all you were looking
for was "another play date partner to hook up with". Were you thinking perhaps she
blew you off for Sunday and recreated another ad to attract a more sadistic fuck?
And does this tie in some way to your last thread here about revenge sex?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
As it turned out, she had volunteered to take on a debt of some girl
that had a drug addiction debt. This dude had paid off the debt and
was expecting sexual use and favors in exchange.
It's a good thing her and I had had that long 6 hour+ phone conversation
the week before. seriously.
I had first encountered this amazing Girl though a CL listings, we talked
for many hours. Got a good sense of limits and whatnot.

And yet, not once did she mention that she volunteered to let many other strange
men into her home so she could be used and abused, and basically it was first come first serve?
Do you not realize the possibility that she was most likely fucked by 10 other men in the days or
even hours leading up to your visit, and probably even more since you've left? And that SHE LIKED IT?
What makes you think you were so special, other than the fact that you weren't sadistic enough to pull off her rape fantasy?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
I showed up... and started to engaged in this fucked up rape scene.
I had blind folded her. This is when I played her against the wall, hands
and legs spread wide..went down stairs and snagged a beer!!

In every rape scene that has ever played out in my head, not once did it have
me opening the door to let the rapist in, showing him around the place for him
to feel comfortable enough to know where the kitchen was, let alone that there was even
beer in the fridge. How did you accomplish all this without her seeing it was you?
Let me guess...the babysitter let you in?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
Keep in mind that this girl has a rape fantasy which I need about, and
we talked about a head of time. Still she was as stiff as a fucking mannequin.
I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried.

Duhhhh! Do you think rape victims are supposed to be gyrating against you?
Perhaps she was supposed to put up a fight so you could then over power her?
This sounds more to me like your fantasy of rape being totally different from hers.
Or maybe, she really liked the idea of a rape scene, but the reality of it wasn't what
she hoped it would be, hence the stiff as a mannequin.
Or maybe...she just really wasn't that into you. Remember, she blew you off Sunday without making
arrangements for a future meet.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
One of these dude's operates a prostitution escort service, and I know
would love to turn her into One of his girls. She had refused to do so..

Yeah, but she is ok with letting strange men into her home to fuck for free?
Are you sure you didn't start taking the tranquillizers before responding to this ad?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
I'm pretty much resolved to Outting myself to who, Outing me
being into BDSM and crazy kinky stuff.
So, now... It's time for me to shut this whole game down on ice.
I'm getting ready to make phone calls soon. I'm going to out myself.
Share all the email correspondence and whatnot.
Get this girl out what from whatever mess she's into, and take the
matter of worrying about it from my own hands.

Shutting what down? An adult ad was placed on a website that caters to adult ads.
This adult volunteered to take on a debt and was expecting sexual use and favors!!!
What does any of this have to do with BDSM? Because during the course of responding to this
ad and trying your darndest to fulfill this girls fantasy, you also introduced bondage? GASP!!
Seriously, get yourself some sleep. You have gotten yourself in quite a tizzy over adult sex games.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 5:19:49 AM

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Ya know... how do you know this isnt a hubby and wife sex game they are playing?

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 5:43:52 AM

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I still don't see anything overtly illegal in this situation. It (supposidly) wasn't rape, no-one (overtly) forced this woman to have sex with the OP - what are the cops going to do with it, except maybe laugh a bit.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 9:21:40 AM

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Is this the same woman you were going to have a funky grudge-fuck with?

I think this is why one should never engage in rape-play set up by a third party, or with someone you have not met, face to face.
It can all go so horribly wrong.

There are people who set up other people.
IIRC, that has happened here, at least once and CM was a news item.

Do what you think is right.
It may all blow up in your face and it may not.

Having said that, I am beginning to wonder about you:.
Your posts are all over the place and are hard to follow, you switch your thinking very fast, and honestly, your posting character has changed a lot since I first read you.
I used to enjoy your posts.

I don't know if this is the place for this, but since you are just letting it all hang out lately, I am wondering if you are dealing with something like bipolar disorder.
In which case tranquilizers (mentioned in your initial post) are not going to fix anything.

Only you know if your life is working for you.
If it isn't, then I suggest you see a Dr.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 9:38:18 AM

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There are so many loose ends here that it's hard to know where to start. In fact, if this were a new poster I wouldn't believe that it happened. I do know this, in the OP you said this girl was amazing - she might be good in bed, but she's a crap parent and has fucked up priorities. She's willingly putting herself in dangerous situations and the reason for it isn't clear. If I had a young child my responsibility would be to parent him, not look for dangerous sex with strangers on CL. When you start feeling all gushy about liking this girl, remember how she lets strangers fuck her, and puts herself at such a risk that she might not be back to feed her son breakfast the next morning.

I don't know why you seem to think being in the midst of all this drama is ok, you talk about getting out of it, and it seems that you keep hanging around for more. This stuff isn't normal. I'd take a hard look at what got me into something so crazy to begin with. You say you've accepted how poorly you've behaved, I'm not so sure about that.

Have you ever talked to or met the men involved? I don't think they exist or that they do, and are doing something at her behest. Saying she's taking on a debt sounds like a noble way to let your vagina get tingly, like calling it rape after being a willing participant because you realize you have to tell your partner you cheated on him. The debt thing is a red herring - it makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Who would pay $4K for pussy? This supposed debt holder didn't even get any money from you, why squander a $4K debt on letting a stranger get his rocks off? What does the debt holder get out of that arrangement? If I were the debt holder I'd spend $4K on a swanky hotel room full of hookers doting on my every wish, instead he gets something he isn't even there for. What is he getting out of it for investing the money? He should be fucking her himself. For the most part, people are not that charitable to each other to just give away things of worth.

On that note, lets not forget - who the hell takes on a debt of that size for friend? Id do it for one of my sons but hell, other than that you're on your own. Especially if my friend was using drugs and got in over her head. Whew, that's a poor personal choice right there, using drugs, so thinking that I'd jump in (with a young son to take care of) and help out my drug using friend by sacrificing my body does not compute. If there is a major chance that I'm going to come away from something with extensive damage - helping out a friend isn't cutting it as a reason for me to do it. No one is that noble, sorry. If it were true that she was taking on a debt, which it isn't, she's getting something out of it somewhere- therefore she wanted a reason to have anonymous sex. This whole debt thing does not add up in any way, shape, or form.

What are you reporting and why? I don't get that part. You seem to think she's getting into trouble...how? Is she still supposed to be whoring herself out on CL for this nonexistent debt forgiveness?

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 9:50:55 AM

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You go to the doughnut eaters and here is what the police will do.

They could "investigate" or arrest you. Which requires less work?

Frankly, anyone who didnt run at the start of this mess would NOT be someone I would think well of. At best its fucking drama, at worst some seriously fucked up shit.

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RE: Doing the right thing... - 6/4/2013 10:14:14 AM

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~FRing it~

I'll be honest, this whole OP made absolutely no sense to me. It seems like there are huge pieces missing. At least that's what it seems like in my honest opinion. It's very disjointed and surreal. How was having sex with you either (a) pulling the wool over these guys' eyes or (b) satisfying all or part of an assumed drug debt she took on? Only way I can see that happening is if you were supposed to pay money to these guys or her for it. If she was so happy to see it was you and not some sadistic fuck AND then played with you and brought her child around for you to give a piggyback ride to, what's the problem? Why the need for transparency and coming clean with a national rape hotline and/or legal authorities? Are you being threatened by either these guys or by her? See what I mean by absolutely none of this making any sense? I've read this thread a number of times and its still confusing as hell.

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