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RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:26:02 PM)
My Physics teacher wasn't clear on what being well hung meant.

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:32:09 PM)
OOOOOOOOOOooooooooo physics. Im sure that is way over my head. [;)]

RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:34:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl OOOOOOOOOOooooooooo physics. Im sure that is way over my head. [;)] Not from this angle. (Geez, it's like no one plays naked Twister anymore.) If you wanted to be over your head, though, pull up a ceiling and hang out. Just don't tell me if you're well hung.

DaddySatyr -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:54:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RemoteUser My Physics teacher wasn't clear on what being well hung meant. Someone is "well hung" when they stop kicking or, when you can get two fingers between their neck and the rope. Peace and comfort, Michael

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:55:18 PM)
Im hung well... better?

RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:56:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: RemoteUser My Physics teacher wasn't clear on what being well hung meant. Someone is "well hung" when they stop kicking or, when you can get two fingers between their neck and the rope. Peace and comfort, Michael Awwwww, SHIT. I was supposed to use my fingers??

RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 7:58:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im hung well... better? Wait, wait...gotta try this. I'll check if you're hung well. Someone said, do this with your fingers...! >>CRASH<< BOOM thump. ..ow...

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:06:01 PM)
lol... I was told I was hung well... aparently someone lied to me... can I shoot them now?

RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:08:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl lol... I was told I was hung well... aparently someone lied to me... can I shoot them now? The bullets, they say yes, yes; but the trajectory, she may say no, no. (If you do shoot them, remember to use the SYG laws.)

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:17:49 PM)
OOOOooo I can practice while being hung well again!

RemoteUser -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:21:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl OOOOooo I can practice while being hung well again! Yes, but only if you follow my instructions. You can respond to my Craigslist ad, and remember - cash only.

tazzygirl -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:22:16 PM)
What???? No IOU????

GrizzlyBear -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 8:27:18 PM)
Does current Texas law go too far in allowing deadly force over property crimes? I think so. But its is the current law. Should that law apply over an alleged contract to perform an illegal act? It probably should not, and it could certainly be argued that it should not. Sounds to me like the prosecution did a really lousy job of countering the argument by the defense. The jury therefore bought the argument by the defense. Usually it goes the other way. Since the jury voted to acquit, the prosecutor doesn't get a do-over. No double jeopardy in the US, unlike in some other countries. Now the prosecutors (and many others as well) are whining about the outcome that resulted from the poor job they did. Suck it up, buttercup, and do a better job next time. Or are you only able to out-debate an overworked and disinterested public defender who is carrying way too many cases? I also have a feeling that we are not getting all the factors that may have influenced the jury. We saw pictures of the defendant, so we know he is white. I didn't read every news story, but there was no mention of the race composition of the jury, nor that of the deceased and her "pimp". If you search on her name, you can find a picture - not black, but she definitely appears to be darker of skin than the defendant. That of course should not matter, but in much of Texas it certainly does.

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 9:31:29 PM)
Except for the fact that in the real world, there can be no criminal trial without a statute being allleged to have been violated. And that statute being cited in the charging documents. And an arraignment to make sure a crime was committed in the first place... after the prosecutor decides if they have enough to file the charges in the first place. Oh, and this thing called habeas corpus. Oh, and this thing called the US Constitution. But feel free to show us a copy of 'The Law', as you put it, that gives the understanding that none of the above exist. quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml You don't understand the law do you? The purpose of a trial is to establish the facts. Given that basic lesson, can you see how your statement might seem really stupid? quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Again, if the law allowed that, there never would have been a trial. quote: ORIGINAL: Nanako quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn The fact of the matter is that this guy deserves whatever time because he shot somebody, and nothing else. There are stipulations in this country about taking the law into your own hands, etc., so any ruling in favor of his action there is against the law of the land, except that many courts take glee in twisting any law made. umm, isn't the whole reason for this discussion, the fact that texas DOES allow someone to take the law into their own hands in certain circumstances? it seems like he was acting within the law of the land he was in

Powergamz1 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 9:48:49 PM)
I'd be willing to bet that the Texas jury was properly instructed that the law about use of deadly force in defense of property does not mean killing someone for keeping $150 that was allegedly tendered for an illegal act. I'd be willing to bet that the Texas jury was properly instructed on everything they needed to reach a conviction. So was William Kennedy Smith's jury. Any of the legal experts here want to argue that Florida law makes rape legal? quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren No, it isn't, but what the defenders of the Texas law are missing is that it was an illicit transation, which inviolates the argument it was about protecting property. People have used the same example I did, if I gave you money for drugs, you gave me nothing for it, I don't have the right to shoot you for stealing my money, and even in texas they put people on trial for murder for doing just that, so how is this different? I wondered about that myself. My own end conclusion was that the law itself was fucked but there's that part also. My best guess is that it's different because she's a prostitute and nobody really cares if we shoot prostitutes. One wonders if there was a dispute between this same guy and.... say... Michelle Obama over $150 bucks and he shot her would the jury have been so sanguine. Oh wait... this is texas we're talking about. They'd have been throwing parties.

eulero83 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 11:43:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oneechan quote: Does it means if a drug trade goes wrong 'cos the buyer is not happy by quality of the drug he can legitimate kill the seller that doesn't have a satisfied or refund policy? no. quality is an entirely different issue, it doesn't really relate a better example would be buying drugs, but getting nothing for your money. that would be the same situation. The point here is that the woman took the money and delivered nothing at all. that's not the point, I don't know how it works on craiglist but here no add writes about sex they use words like "happy times" "very relaxing massages" "modelling collaboration", and prostitution is not illegal just not regulated so if cought by police the prostitute or the client are not to be arrested only if there is a pimp he is to be jailed, I think where it's illegal they have to more carefull, so the money are to show up and the time, what happens is by free will of both persons, this means poor service to me.

eulero83 -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/8/2013 11:47:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I'd be willing to bet that the Texas jury was properly instructed that the law about use of deadly force in defense of property does not mean killing someone for keeping $150 that was allegedly tendered for an illegal act. I'd be willing to bet that the Texas jury was properly instructed on everything they needed to reach a conviction. So was William Kennedy Smith's jury. Any of the legal experts here want to argue that Florida law makes rape legal? quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren No, it isn't, but what the defenders of the Texas law are missing is that it was an illicit transation, which inviolates the argument it was about protecting property. People have used the same example I did, if I gave you money for drugs, you gave me nothing for it, I don't have the right to shoot you for stealing my money, and even in texas they put people on trial for murder for doing just that, so how is this different? I wondered about that myself. My own end conclusion was that the law itself was fucked but there's that part also. My best guess is that it's different because she's a prostitute and nobody really cares if we shoot prostitutes. One wonders if there was a dispute between this same guy and.... say... Michelle Obama over $150 bucks and he shot her would the jury have been so sanguine. Oh wait... this is texas we're talking about. They'd have been throwing parties. Ok something I didn't considered is that the trial was by jury, and that's probably what i can't understand for cultural differences. Just a question to understand more, but now this sentence in common law will be part of jurisprudence? I mean are judges in any way obbligated to consider this when another person is killed for 150$? Is the "stare decisis" principle so bonding?

LafayetteLady -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/9/2013 12:07:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Actually, you are lumping all self defense when your life is in danger laws, under the heading of SYG. Actually I'm not. This had NOTHING to do with self defense and everything to do with a law that says you can use deadly force when there is no logical reason for it. Much like SYG, and all the other shit.

LafayetteLady -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/9/2013 12:08:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady So would you support her shooting him if she had sex with him and he refused to pay? That is theft as well by your definition, isn't it? For clarity I'm answering this question from my point of view. And to help anyone who is too stupid to have inferred it - I think it's outrageous to kill anyone over a small amount of money. But what I think isn't the point. The point is what the law states. If the law states that you can shoot someone for stealing 150 bucks then... well you can shoot someone for stealing 150 bucks. Now in your hypothetical, yeah I'd say that his refusal to play is more or less equivalent to taking someone's cash and running off before providing the service for which the cash was paid. But of course a lawyer might differentiate between fraud and theft (although they're equivalent in my view) and there might be some other legal trickery but yeah . the act of taking money from a john and then fucking off without providing the service is, in my view, the same as a john offering money for a service, taking the service then fucking off. But the "spirit" of this law was not to apply to these types of situations at all, so it isn't really the law saying this. Part of it is that juries don't have the knowledge to understand those things. Sorry, but they don't.

LafayetteLady -> RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and killed a woman who had refused to have sex with him (6/9/2013 12:10:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nanako I don't believe theft deserves the death penalty. But there's a difference between a court handing out a death sentance for a crime in the past, and firing a shot to try to stop a crime that is in the process of happening. That's where the "defense of property" comes in it may well be he only intended to wound or scare her. running away was a big mistake on her part. You don't run away when someone is pointing a gun and telling you to stop. THAT is what she got shot for. police do the same with a fleeing suspect i know these type of thieves are quite common, and they give excorts a bad name :< Please tell me where in this story did you read that he pointed the gun at her before she left?

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