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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 12:44:17 PM

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Oh cripes, I almost forgot ...

"Yeah, it's all those conservatives' fault."

Whew, I almost forgot that important and essential detail.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 2:21:01 PM

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It is an example of an unresponsive, unrepentant style. Rather than change / work with Democrats --- externalize the executive defeat and double down on efforts to maximize power through gerrymandering and the fiibuster.

The Republicans just vetoed the DREAM ACT a 2nd time this week.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 2:32:45 PM

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Fine.

The Democrats voted on some 'welfare act' that foreclosed the education process to mothers, in the '90s, then ushered in the whopping major deregulation effects in 1999 and in 2000.

Republicans 'sponsored' the above and were the majority voters; big whoop-de-do.

Your point?

Who voted 'yea' on the "resolution" in 2002?

OK, sorry, never mind.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 3:24:23 PM

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A biting analysis of when the conservative movement lost its way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imjL8dfJVkA&feature=player_embedded

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 6:45:31 PM

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Mitt Romney lost because he and the party aparatchics who anointed him didn't have a flying fuck of an idea what the American people wanted and needed.

That's it precisely. And I swear, they keep choosing VP candidates like they're trying to lose the election.

If they want to win, they need to stay out of people's bedrooms, out of women's uterus' and actually try to understand a voting group beyond upper middle class, middle aged, white men.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 7:19:03 PM

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A biting analysis of when the conservative movement lost its way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imjL8dfJVkA&feature=player_embedded

In all that, they forgot to mention that Reagan was the first one to point out that trees cause pollution. I heard this, r/l, on the way home from work in 1978-79, on his 15 minute radio show.

And people wonder how I got so weird. Or how the whole freaking country got so weird.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 7:46:12 PM

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Despite having virtually the same amount of campaign cash available to the campaign and significantly more if outside groups are included Romney had this to say about why he lost in November

OK, here is the question that has been occurring to me over the last few years. Why? Why would he say such a thing. It's ever so easy to say "Because he's stupid" but that clearly is not true. And it's not just him. Obama's right up there... moreso actually by my scorecard. I used to brush this crap off with the "He's stupid" line of reasoning but I don't anymore because it is obviously incorrect.

The problem is the options left after that are a lot darker than "we are being led by idiots".

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 9:04:30 PM

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Does anyone really give a shit what Mitt Romney thinks anymore?

I hope no one does but the point of the thread was to point out another instance where a conservative simply invented his own "facts" to suit his desires. It has gotten to be a very common occurrence and is putting this nation in serious danger.

The main danger this country is in right now is the bigots who are trying to split it in two. Maybe if folks stopped trying so hard to make the other side look bad and actually tried to accomplish something we would move ahead, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 11:29:06 PM

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Mitt Romney lost because of his religion, pure and simple. The mormon church is just too strange in my opinion. The gold plates that were the source of the Book of Mormon vanished with the angel Moroni, the idea that there were descendants of Israelites livening in Pre Colombian south and central america has no basis in fact, genetic or otherwise.

The United States basically elected the lesser of two evils.

I think he could have overcome the religious issue if he wasn't such and asshat about everything else.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 11:30:53 PM

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It was a crazy storm. We were almost prevented from voting here in north Jersey.

I'm in North Jersey! Sussex County for me. I perved your profile after reading the above. I almost did look behind me, lol.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 11:51:16 PM

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Mr. Romney lost the election for a very wide amount of reasons. His not having access to money or cash flow was not a problem. His party gave him a whole host of problems. His speeches and comments gave him lots of problems. His voters gave me lots of problems. Heck, the president only had to convince 5% of voters back six months before the election to vote for him. Mr. Romney needed like 35-45%. Those are staggering odds.

It was just golden to watch FOX News (and more importantly Carl Rove) implode on election night when the president was re-elected. As soon as I knew it was 'in the bag' (which was that afternoon) I just watched FOX News for all the laughs.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/8/2013 11:57:15 PM

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I was actually out of the country. I did check the news though.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 12:14:17 AM

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Here's a thought for why Republicans aren't particularly competitive at the national level anymore.

The College Republican National Committee surveyed young, self-described moderate Democrats, Independents, and Republicans. Here are some of the findings that may just indicate why Romney lost (and remember, this excludes "unwinnable" Democrats, so we've taken the political left off the table):

- The most common description chosen by respondents to describe the Republican party was "closed-minded." Second place went to "racist."
- A majority (and remember, this poll excluded liberals) agreed with each of the following:
--- Republican policies were primarily at fault for causing the Great Recession.
--- Everyone in America should have access to health coverage.
--- "Reducing big government" should not be an unconditional objective.
--- Gay marriage should be legal.
--- American troops are overutilized fighting other countries' wars.
--- Taxes on the wealthy are too low. (In fact, even amongst young Republicans, 54% think taxes on the wealthy need to increase.)

The problem Mitt Romney, and the Republican party at the national level, had, was that Americans don't want their policies.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 12:26:16 AM

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The problem Mitt Romney, and the Republican party at the national level, had, was that Americans don't want their policies.

Yes, but you're not looking at the problem exactly correctly. OK, imagine you are a corrupt, wealthy guy wanting more power and more wealth. So you wave the flag, trot out a few threats, whip up a good sense of hysteria, right? I mean that's the obvious solution. That oughta get everyone all riled up and in line. But for some reason that doesn't happen. Oh sure, the people get all riled but the go for the OTHER guy. So you need to find out what you did wrong.

The problem cannot be in your policy because your policy is to make yourself richer which is self-evidently a good thing. So obviously it's gotta be something in the delivery. If you could only, for instance, approach this gay thing properly surely you could get the voters to stop looking at issues like ever-encroaching poverty.

No, from their standpoint the problem is definitely one of delivery.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 6:11:15 AM

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At one point, when I had a chance, I asked him politely, who`s fault was it that "nobody knew who mitt was"?

A mentioned he`d been running for president for almost 7 years, the almost a billion dollars spent, the 1st go-round,etc.

Why did mitt refuse to define himself during the primary?

His strategy was to say/do nothing, either way, in either direction, the whole time.

During the general, he flubbed, flip-flopped so many times on so many major issues, that nobody knew where he stood......on most things.

I wouldn't blame that on his campaign. It's the GOP itself.

Romney was forced to be a conservative to win the primary, and a moderate to try to win the general. His image got blurred because of that.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 6:18:37 AM

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The main danger this country is in right now is the bigots who are trying to split it in two. Maybe if folks stopped trying so hard to make the other side look bad and actually tried to accomplish something we would move ahead, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I'd like to agree with you, but I'd change the word "bigots" to "extremists".

One huge problem is that capitalism has taken over the political system. There are too many whose goal is not to move the country forward, to get the best person elected, to serve the people, etc. Their goal is to inflame their own base as much as possible, to maximize donations.

If I convince you that Bush or Obama is doing a few things you might disagree with, and tell you how we can tweak his initiatives and still get them done but in a more benign way, you'd yawn. If I convince you that Bush or Obama is a devil straight from Hell that's destroying the American way of life and we MUST mount an opposition NOW to save the country, you'll shell out.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 6:58:51 AM

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Mitt Romney lost because of his religion, pure and simple. The mormon church is just too strange in my opinion. The gold plates that were the source of the Book of Mormon vanished with the angel Moroni, the idea that there were descendants of Israelites livening in Pre Colombian south and central america has no basis in fact, genetic or otherwise.

The United States basically elected the lesser of two evils.

I think he could have overcome the religious issue if he wasn't such and asshat about everything else.

I think you may be right. People said JFK wouldn't get in because he was catholic and we all know how that turned out.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 7:05:39 AM

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If I convince you that Bush or Obama is doing a few things you might disagree with, and tell you how we can tweak his initiatives and still get them done but in a more benign way, you'd yawn. If I convince you that Bush or Obama is a devil straight from Hell that's destroying the American way of life and we MUST mount an opposition NOW to save the country, you'll shell out.

*chuckles* I tend to believe both sides of that argument at once. There's a few things that could be done to fix the policies... they are not horribly flawed. But Bush & Obama are monsters and won't ever, ever consider doing those things... nor will any elected politician (random exceptions like Elizabeth Warren to prove the rule). Sadly all their propaganda sort of failed with me. I believe they are all monsters so none of them get my cash.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 7:07:39 AM

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The main danger this country is in right now is the bigots who are trying to split it in two. Maybe if folks stopped trying so hard to make the other side look bad and actually tried to accomplish something we would move ahead, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I'd like to agree with you, but I'd change the word "bigots" to "extremists".

One huge problem is that capitalism has taken over the political system. There are too many whose goal is not to move the country forward, to get the best person elected, to serve the people, etc. Their goal is to inflame their own base as much as possible, to maximize donations.

If I convince you that Bush or Obama is doing a few things you might disagree with, and tell you how we can tweak his initiatives and still get them done but in a more benign way, you'd yawn. If I convince you that Bush or Obama is a devil straight from Hell that's destroying the American way of life and we MUST mount an opposition NOW to save the country, you'll shell out.

If I didn't know any better I would say you have been reading my emails. Yes they did try to convince me the other guy was the devil but being the cheap fuck I am, I totally ignored their pleas for cash.

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RE: Mitt Romney says he lost because Obama outspent him - 6/9/2013 7:41:04 AM

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I'm sure there are conservatives who are not anti gay or anti woman however the conservative movement and the politicians it produces are profoundly anti gay and anti woman amongst their many other failings. You and others defense of those people, who fundamentally despise you, does you no good and does the country much harm.

This is my question. I absolutely get it that not all conservatives are anti-gay and wish to abolish women's health. I get that. I get it that some of them are living in the real world vis-a-viz climate science and trickle down economics too. Yet the people they put in office hold different views. This is a lot like me saying that liberals as a rule do not believe in a police state and corporatism yet the leaders they elect do. Largely I think people are voting against their own self-interests because they get lied to so much that they have no idea what "truth" is any more.

Man, it'd be simply fascinating if we magically could get some external and objective analysis rooted in fact... "Here are what these people ACTUALLY believe in based upon facts and voting records. Now go to the polls."

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