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SpanishMatMaster -> Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 5:47:57 AM)

Hello!

I would like to bring up a question: Why do warriors fight?

I ask about non-US warriors, that is, warriors who do not / did not fight under the banner of the USA: American citizens fighting for other countries do count, non American citizens fighting in American unites do not. There are reasons for that, but please ask me by PM if you want to discuss them. Here let us just concentrate on non-US warriors, there are / were enough.

I choose the term "warriors" to include all kinds of warfare, also irregular troops, freedom fighters and filthy terrorists as long as they act in a war. Delusions of war are not included, but terrorism in real warlike situations is.

All Epochs included, so feel free to speak about Roman legionnaires or Spanish Tercios in the Seventeen Provinces.

And of course I accept a mixture of motivations for a singular warrior. I myself will give such an answer right now.

Thank you in advance!




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 5:55:28 AM)

Its because thats what warriors do!! DUH!

Cobblers mend shoes.
Hookers ply for sex.
Warriors fight.

And why you would want to specifically exclude US 'warriors' makes no sense whatsoever.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 5:56:21 AM)

Define warriors.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:06:53 AM)

So, I start, giving many sorted by importance in the history of the world, descending. I would love to get answers formatted that way, but of course you answer as / if you like.

1. Compulsion.

The most important reasons, applicable to many soldiers and important for many of them, even decisive. Just not having any other choice, facing prison, death, misery or social exclusion for not fighting.

2. Profession.

I mean... it is a job. And even in wartime, people are not constantly trying to kill you ( BTW places where this was "less false as usual", like the trenches of the WWI, show the psychological effect, which you do not find in other warriors of other times ). The rest of the time, and of course in peacetime, it is a pretty safe job, with assured income, a certain social position (and even authority over civilians), chances to prosper and a lot of free time (there are exceptions, of course).

I think this reason is so universal and so important in many cases that it gets to the second position. Just a job, a way to make a living.

3. Greed.

Less important now in industrialized countries as before, but still important in other environments and in the past. War is a chance to make a fortune if you know how to profit from the disgrace of others. The prohibition of plundering was often a reason for mutiny. From the second son of a Duke who wants to create an own principality in current Lebanon to the foot Catholic soldier walking under the banners of Wallenstein (here besides the motivation 1 - compulsion - when fleeing from misery created by the war itself).

4. Glory.

It may be surprising for me to mention a reason quoted more by aristocrats and leaders, and not the normal soldier. If it were only for this, I would put it in a far lower position, because it affected only few soldiers. But it does affect also the normal warrior: glory within the town, within the family. Respect by your peers. Admiration of the ladies when you come home. Recognition in the town inn and special rights given to the veterans. These things count, a lot.

5. Friendship.

Glory affects why they go to fight. Friendship often affects why they remain fighting. As described many times, the comrades of the unit become with the time and hardships often "brothers". Quoting my memory a veteran war journalist and expert war historian Arturo Perez-Reverte...
quote:

...and there they stand, keeping the lines with firm despair besides their banners, caring only about themselves and their comrades, giving a fuck about King and Country. Or maybe it was that, at that point, King and Country was exactly that, their swearing comrade there, their injured comrade there, and their own skin.


5. Rage.

Hate against evil done to you or "your own", real or imaginary and with a board definition of "your own", is for me a very important reason for going to war. Propaganda uses it massively, describing the unspeakable ( ;) ) crimes of the "others". Of course, it is also sometimes the bitter truth felt in your own family.

6. Patriotism.

Only a pretty recent reason (not that there was no patriotism before the nation - states but it was far less widespread) and connected to imperialism more often than not, and to rage the rest of the time (it seems to me). Not really a frequent or important reason.

So, that's my list :) Yours...?




Real0ne -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:23:45 AM)

war mongers?

because they can.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:30:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster
So, I start, giving many sorted by importance in the history of the world, descending. I would love to get answers formatted that way, but of course you answer as / if you like.
<snip>

The rest of your drivel is a nonsense.
You are making something out of nothing - as usual.
And, as usual, you are trying to trump up some support for your own agenda.
As for your 'history of the world' - it's irrelevant and actually very skewed.

Warriors, to use your definition, fight for many reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with those you listed.
1) They fight because they are drafted and have no choice.
2) If they are in the forces in the first places, they like to fight because it's their temperament and what they want to train for.

There is nothing else to elaborate on.





SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:41:33 AM)

I hope for the answers of somebody I do *not* have hidden [:D] ...




Real0ne -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:48:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I hope for the answers of somebody I do *not* have hidden [:D] ...


is there anyone left?

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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 6:59:08 AM)

I would say..... not very many! [sm=wall.gif]




JeffBC -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:02:28 AM)

I don't think as a US citizen I have much perspective on this. We only do wars of aggression. So for us we fight because our president told us to. I have to assume the picture looks pretty different from the other end of the gun barrel.




Aylee -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:18:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

Hello!

I would like to bring up a question: Why do warriors fight?

I ask about non-US warriors, that is, warriors who do not / did not fight under the banner of the USA: American citizens fighting for other countries do count, non American citizens fighting in American unites do not. There are reasons for that, but please ask me by PM if you want to discuss them. Here let us just concentrate on non-US warriors, there are / were enough.

I choose the term "warriors" to include all kinds of warfare, also irregular troops, freedom fighters and filthy terrorists as long as they act in a war. Delusions of war are not included, but terrorism in real warlike situations is.

All Epochs included, so feel free to speak about Roman legionnaires or Spanish Tercios in the Seventeen Provinces.

And of course I accept a mixture of motivations for a singular warrior. I myself will give such an answer right now.

Thank you in advance!


Resources.




SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:21:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC
I don't think as a US citizen I have much perspective on this. We only do wars of aggression. So for us we fight because our president told us to. I have to assume the picture looks pretty different from the other end of the gun barrel.
As I told, please let aside the US "warriors". Please. You have all the other threads to discuss US politics.
Do you really think that you have *nothing* to say about the wide world and the whole history of mankind, related to this subject?
I mean, I have never been a feudal foot soldier but I think that I can say one word or two about their motivations. And I have. One word. Or two.




thishereboi -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:23:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I hope for the answers of somebody I do *not* have hidden [:D] ...



How do you have a discussion when you hide everyone who might disagree with you? I could understand if all you wanted was a bunch of people to come in and tell you how smart you are, but I always thought the purpose of a forum was to see all the points of view. Even those who don't always agree.




Lucylastic -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:28:09 AM)

you know you are hidden dontcha:) or if not, you will be soon:)
[;)][;)][;)][;)]




thishereboi -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:33:08 AM)

One can only hope [:)]




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 7:38:46 AM)

He doesn't like anyone who disagrees with his views or philosophy or his agenda.

He just hides everyone that he doesn't agree with.

It will soon be at a point where he is only able to speak with himself.
And of course, he agrees with himself so that should make for good debate [:D]




Aylee -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 8:03:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I hope for the answers of somebody I do *not* have hidden [:D] ...



How do you have a discussion when you hide everyone who might disagree with you? I could understand if all you wanted was a bunch of people to come in and tell you how smart you are, but I always thought the purpose of a forum was to see all the points of view. Even those who don't always agree.


Well. . . I suppose that he could just create a pretend household that all agrees with him. It has happened before.[8|]




Owner59 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 8:48:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

Hello!

I would like to bring up a question: Why do warriors fight?

I ask about non-US warriors, that is, warriors who do not / did not fight under the banner of the USA: American citizens fighting for other countries do count, non American citizens fighting in American unites do not. There are reasons for that, but please ask me by PM if you want to discuss them. Here let us just concentrate on non-US warriors, there are / were enough.

I choose the term "warriors" to include all kinds of warfare, also irregular troops, freedom fighters and filthy terrorists as long as they act in a war. Delusions of war are not included, but terrorism in real warlike situations is.

All Epochs included, so feel free to speak about Roman legionnaires or Spanish Tercios in the Seventeen Provinces.

And of course I accept a mixture of motivations for a singular warrior. I myself will give such an answer right now.

Thank you in advance!




Money.




LaceeTracee -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 11:11:51 AM)

money, power, god depends on the situation and the day




Powergamz1 -> RE: Why do (non-US) warriors fight? (6/9/2013 3:07:20 PM)

Ha!! I was hidden before being hidden became cool.

[:D]




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