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Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 8:08:37 AM

SwitchNSpanky

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A good bro of mine asked me for some saftey advice regarding breath play last night. I was honest and told him I had no experiance with any serious breath play. Then I told him I'd ask you guys here on the forum for resources he can look at as well as any advice and then pass it on.

I did tell him that joining the forum would be better than using me as a go between but he's not interested for several reasons. So, I'm asking y'all.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 8:18:58 AM

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Breath play is one of those topics where, if someone on the internet says, "Here's how to do it safely," you can guarantee that person is unsafe. Ha.

A couple years ago, there was a thread with some martial artists in it, on the topic of "blood chokes." Searching for that might give you some of the pros and cons.

The only safe breath play I know is to tell the sub she can't move, put a feather on her lips, and then either stimulate her or wait. Once the feather moves, punish her for failing. Then repeat if you so desire.

There is medical risk involved anytime an exterior force cuts off the flow of oxygen to the brain. No way around it.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 8:38:26 AM

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I've been wondering about this myself. When I swim, I can hold my breath a lot longer than during breath play, but I'm not scared when I swim ;)

I've never passed out, or felt like I've come close.

He chokes me rarely, and no longer to the point where I gasp "stars" (which only happened about two times) and am wondering about Does and Don't for choking as well.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 8:49:27 AM

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Don't ask people on the net.

Talk to your doctor. And then get a second opinion.

Seriously, you're talking about doing something that can cause you to accidentally kill somebody in a matter of seconds,even when you do everything right.

This is not the sort of thing you want to take online advice on. You (or your friend) need to talk to somebody with a medical background, who can explain you exactly the dangers, and why things are dangerous.

Personally, I don't engage in choke play. There are too many things that can go wrong, and most people who enjoy strangulation don't have the first clue about any of those things. Putting pressure on the neck in such a way that it cuts off oxygen supply to the brain, or inhibits the inhalation of air into the longs is an unacceptable risk to me, especially considering the knowledge and skill level of most people willing to engage in that type of play.

And that's coming from somebody who's latest idea of edge-play-to-try-if-I-ever-get-the-chance (inspired by littlewonder) is to be pushed out of an airplane with a parachute, but in bondage in such a way that it would leave me unable to pull the rip cord, and the top would have to dive in with me, to pull the cord for me. Something that I -with a qualified top and a couple practice jumps to work out logistics- would consider a whole lot safer than choke play, btw.

When I engage in breath play, it's strictly by cutting air inhalation to the longs by means of covering the mouth and nose, or use of water, and things like that. Something that is still very risky, I may add...

Talk to medical experts, and study the throat, veins, windpipe, and nerves in the neck in detail, with medical textbooks, before EVER considering choke play!

Even if you do, and even if you do it correctly, you still may end up killing somebody by accident.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 9:28:44 AM

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Their are credible experts on both sides of this issue.

The reality is that for 97.392% of people, the mental aspect of choking is 131% of the effect. So, putting your handd on the neck of a person in bondage will achieve 96.45% of the effect of actually choking them.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 2:56:10 PM

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Not an expert, but have medical background. Choking someone will generally not prevent oxygen from getting to lungs, but rather prevent blood from getting to brain by blocking the carotid arteries in the neck. Passing out is pretty quick almost always within 20-30 seconds. (That's why you can hold your breath longer when not being choked). The second issue I can think off is that one of the controllers of pulse and blood pressure is in the neck. Stimulating those centers, by applying pressure, can cause arythmias and dangerously slow heart rates or even stopping the heart. There is really no way to "safely choke someone." There will always be risk.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:03:37 PM

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Yeah and when it goes wrong... like with my son... you get someone like my son. Let me tell ya... it isn't a party and in fact, it has me hating life at the moment. Eight years as caregiver, teaching him things they said he would never do again and going through some brain damaged teen years... again... I am ready to choke someone. Just the worry over what will happen to him when I get fed up or cannot do it any longer, is enough to fuck someone up.

Many claim the safest ways of doing it and will tell you how. They also tell you they have done it safely for years. All I can say is... I am glad I am not the one that will have to take care of your ass 'IF' something does go wrong. How sexy you will look when you have scars from brain surgery or when your mouth hangs open and you drool or when you are exposing yourself to touch yourself because you don't know any better. Sexy huh.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:04:13 PM

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What most people consider choking actually comes in two categories. There is the choke you describe, called a 'blood choke' by the USMC, and it does indeed kill, not pass out, someone how you describe quickly. Then there is the technique that closes the air pipe. This the 'movie choke', where it can take however long the victim can hold their breath to cause damage or death.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:11:52 PM

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Rawni is right, lack of O2 is dangerous no matter how it's sliced.
And I completely agree with SimplyMicheal

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:14:14 PM

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http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500368_162-4452137.html Stroke induced by orgasm because of a hidden heart condition.

http://www.goldengatexpress.org/2012/04/09/erotic-asphyxiation/ The ins and outs: Risks and rewards of breath control play

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrobasilar_insufficiency

Google it... strokes, heart attacks, breath play and what might go wrong in a seemingly healthy person.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:26:50 PM

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What is being discussed is erotic asphyxiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

Even though there’s another person present in the room, erotic asphyxiation can be just as dangerous, and it remains one of the most controversial topics in the kink community. Some say that its appeal is its risky nature and encourage safe practice; others say the potential benefits just don’t outweigh the risks.

It works like this: The carotid arteries on the sides of the neck carry lots of oxygen-rich blood to the brain, so restricting that blood flow produces feelings of light-headedness or giddiness, which heightens sensations during sex and masturbation, according to Columbia Health’s Go Ask Alice column. When pressure is released, the rush of oxygen back to the brain gives a sense of euphoria. People do it by chest compression, a plastic bag over the head, or a cord, belt or scarf around the neck.

Shay, a medical expert who writes a kinky medical advice column called “Private Duty” for Kink-e-Zine and part of StefanosandShay.com, cautions breath control play beginners.

“Breath control play is dangerous and, while there are ‘safer’ ways to do it, that’s kinda like saying there are ‘safer’ ways to race motorcycles – yeah, there are ways to decrease risk, but it is an inherently risky activity and the risk is never going to be zero,” she said. “Still, getting in the car to drive to work isn’t a zero risk activity, few things are, so it’s all about the degree of risk that you find acceptable.”

The real problem, she says, is that beginners don’t know the risks that breath play entails.

“The biggest risk is that this type of play can cause cardiac arrhythmia – abnormal heart beats – that sometimes are harmless, but sometimes can cause you to go into cardiac arrest. This is an inherent risk of breath control, and if you’re doing actual breath control there is no technique that will take this risk away,” she said.

http://www.goldengatexpress.org/2012/04/09/erotic-asphyxiation/

Just a snipit of the article. Definitely worth the read. The links there are also good reads too. I encourage you to pass this along to your friend. This is not something to play with lightly. If he wants to do this, I would suggest, strongly, that he finds someone who is extremely knowledgeable in this and to ask lots and lots of questions. Demos would be a must.

Its not something I would ever suggest someone perform. Not so sure I would want this done on me. But, as we all know, this lifestyle is all about risks and rewards. For me, this is one of those that would fall under "the risk isnt worth the reward".

But, I cant tell your friend what to do. The best I can do is educate.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:36:54 PM

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Here's a form of breath play I personally consider safe. From a medical supply source, obtain an oxygen mask, the kind that covers mouth and nose and seals with a soft, air filled vinyl or rubber seal. These have a hole in the center for an oxygen hose to go into. Place it over the subs mouth, cover the hole with your hand and then, as a former Master of mine used to say when asked how he did breath play - count like hell in your head. Have a tap out symbol for a safe word. Do not, imo, play till she passes out, foams at the mouth (as another former master of mine used to do), or sees stars. The former master who used to play till a sister sub was foaming at the mouth regularly left her disoriented enough to not be able to answer Ox3 questions - where are you? who am I? what day is it? etc. He also used to do face slapping with my till my ears rang and I saw stars. I used to tell him he was going to end up with deaf, brain damaged subs who sat in a corner playing with dust motes all day. Instead, I moved on - seemed like a better idea.

I personally don't believe in choking or blood play, though I know people who do both. The windpipe is a very delicate thing, and once it's crushed, you've got a couple minutes to live, and no fix for that. But I know I do things those friends consider unsafe, so it's all about being 'as safe as possible' and making our own personal decisions on what we will and won't do.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:43:19 PM

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If you are going to indulge in breath play - buy a pulseoximeter. You NEED to know what their oxygen level in the bloodstream is.

fyi - if Michael Jacksons' doctor had one of these, he probably wouldn't be in hot water, and Michael would still be alive.

and applying pressure on the neck and throat is a really bad idea, as a general rule.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:49:21 PM

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Another thing that is often forgotten about is that even if no one develops heart problems or strokes out, or what have you, your thyroid is located in your neck. Trauma to the neck, such as choking, can cause thyroid problems or make existing thyroid issues more serious.

Which is something I learned the hard way.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 3:55:39 PM

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Medical Realities of Breath Play
http://www.jaywiseman.com/SEX_BDSM_Breath_Medical_Realities.php

And a more comprehensive writing:
http://www.jaywiseman.com/SEX_BDSM_Breath_Closing_Argument.php

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 4:46:58 PM

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I am only going to comment on this thread because I know that as with many other sorts of "play" you are going to get told "Don't do it, you will kill someone" and the reality of the matter is...that can happen. But simply telling someone not to do something rarely helps them in any way. So I am going to do all the things everyone else just said are bad. I'm going to admit that I have taken part in breath play many times over the years and have never killed (or done harm to) anyone. I will also admit that as with many other forms of "play" there is no "safe" way to do breath play, there is only a "safer" way. So if you want to take part in this, admittedly dangerous, kink act have some advice.......

1) Take a CPR class. Take two of them, or maybe ten, just so you know what you are doing.

2) Who said anything about choking? There are a myriad of forms of breath play that have nothing to do with putting your hands around a persons neck.

3) Know the person you are playing with as well as you know yourself. Have a way that they can let you know to stop. Know what panic looks like in their eyes and what hysteria feels like in their body.

4) Always have a quick way to get air back to the person. In my personal opinion this would mean practicing breath play where you put your hand over the persons mouth. If they twitch or look distressed let go.

5) Learn to time and then count how long the person you are playing with can hold their breath. The point of breath play is not to make someone pass out. It is to put the body in a heightened sense of awareness. So learn to count off the seconds. If the person can hold their breath for 20, 30, 40, ect. seconds when you play with them you count and remove 10 seconds from however long they can hold there breath.

6) Never use an object to stop the breath of a person. No large ball gags, plastic wrap, or anything they might swallow.

7) Never, and I mean NEVER, practice auto erotic asphyxiation. Most people that do breath play without another person there to know if they are in danger end up dead....period.

8) Be aware of all of the things that can go wrong. Including but not limited to you killing another person and going to jail for murder.

I am not suggesting you take part in breath play. I am not suggesting that you refuse to take part in breath play. I do hope that if you choose to you do it very carefully.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 4:53:47 PM

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Amazingly enough no one said "not too" Many did say for them the answer would be no.

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 5:04:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

I am only going to comment on this thread because I know that as with many other sorts of "play" you are going to get told "Don't do it, you will kill someone"

Interesting though that in 15 posts made nobody actually said "Don't do it."

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 5:29:16 PM

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My first advice will be not to do it. Second will be to get some training before you try it.

If you or your friend insist on this, go read this: https://fetlife.com/groups/100/group_posts/3787297

Before you read that, just know that Philip The Foole died from breath play went bad. He was always one of the biggest critics of Jay Wiseman because Jay Wiseman said breath is dangerous and for making posts about the dangers of breath play.

So, breath play is dangerous. Since you are an adult and your friend is an adult, they can do what they want.

SL

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RE: Breath Play resources. - 6/13/2013 5:45:29 PM

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I don`t come here to give *advice*...

Personally, I like some forms of...breath play...

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