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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 11:48:53 AM   
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Paddling isn't SSC?


Never said it wasnt. But there are risks associated with paddling that are not associated with a hand spanking.

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I prefer RACK to SSC but the way people act like there is some gulf between what each covers is not born out by reality.


I dont see it as a gulf between... but a natural progression.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 12:06:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

People make this big deal about SSC vs. RACK as if there is some concrete definition of what you can do in one you cant do in another.

In a dungeon or a play party you cant watch people play and tell who is who.

And most people here would have passed out if they watched the intensity of play the gay men who coined ssc played at.

Its a silly non existant divide.


Kerching.

I honestly don't see any meaningful distinction between the definitions, but I acknowledge that RACK is often used to point to slightly more "edgy" stuff.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 12:13:10 PM   
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What exactly can go wrong in a paddling?


Breaking the coccyx..... hitting the kidneys.. Of course there are risks. These same risks are there, in theory, when spanking. But adding a rigid paddle, and losing the sensation on the hand, only adds to the risk.

"What can go wrong in a paddling" is , to me, a silly question. Things CAN go wrong. Just because they havent with you or anyone you know doesnt mean they dont or cant.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 1:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

People make this big deal about SSC vs. RACK as if there is some concrete definition of what you can do in one you cant do in another.

In a dungeon or a play party you cant watch people play and tell who is who.

And most people here would have passed out if they watched the intensity of play the gay men who coined ssc played at.

Its a silly non existant divide.

Labels are silly things slapped on complex systems in an attempt for shallow, small minded people to categorize them.
I mean really,they denigrate the labeler. They speak of a tendency towards lazy thought, quick, and erroneous dovetailing, they sell the object labeled short in almost every way, and they are, with few exceptions, almost always incorrect.
Even better, they are often used by jacknapes in an attempt to assert themselves in a position of authority, donning the instant expert hat so to speak.
But other than those small mitigating factors, hey, I'm all for em.
If naught else, they speak volumes about the folk forced to resort to them.

Totally tangentially-Seeing how slapping labels on this is perhaps the American obsession, that doesn't say pretty much anything good about us intellectually.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 1:26:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Fuck SSC & Rack . . . gimmie DBDB (Dangerous But Desirable Behavior)




Oh I like this!!!!

A LOT!!

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 1:54:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		RACK and SSC are not intended for the use of your SimplyMichaels, ResidentSadists, JEFFBCs, and LadyPacts (left out some names in this thread for brevity <3). Once you attain a level of experience, dare I say mastery, SSC and RACK are calculated in the background. The calculation of "is this safe?" and "does the bottom's consent still apply?" are done instantly and in the background.

So, check to the raiser: SSC = RACK to an expert because both are similarly quaint notions.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 1:58:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dyfrynt

It really is an exercise in futility (There's that word again!) to attempt to pin down definitions here. It is my thought that most BDSM activity has the potential to be SSC and RACK, rather than SSC or RACK. The former acronym is where I would hope most people would want to be. The latter is the understanding of the participants that a positive situation can go negative really fast, and often without warning.

And this is true of any level of play, though obviously it grows exponentially stronger the more one moves into edge play types of activities.

So how 'bout the concept that SSC and RACK are two sides of the same coin.



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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 2:30:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking of paddling over the well padded parts of the body - and my well padded parts are very well padded. I broke my coccyx when I was younger and thinner, falling down some stairs and bouncing my way down to the bottom. I have some arthritis there now, as a result. That's right, arthritis of the butt hole can be real. I had my kidneys bruised once in a play session, and I don't see how you are going to do that with a paddle. the paddle able parts are generally well padded and no where near the kidneys, which are tucked over to the side. When I got my kidneys bruised, the top was using a whip and ignored my safe word. See, what I'm saying is, a lot of SSC and RACK is common sense. If you're going to play with a safe word, don't ignore it. Don't take a big board and purposely hit on top of major organs - go for the padded bits. things like that. it all works out fine.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 2:43:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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What exactly can go wrong in a paddling?


Breaking the coccyx..... hitting the kidneys.. Of course there are risks. These same risks are there, in theory, when spanking. But adding a rigid paddle, and losing the sensation on the hand, only adds to the risk.


Do you leave your bubble wrap much?

Hitting the coccyx is incompetence and counter intuitive even to rank amatuers.

As for the myth about kidneys, cops beat people to near unconciousness on the kidneys and rarely is there any kind of medical issue. I don't know if you know Jay Wiseman but some call him Captain Safety and we were talking one day about flogging and how even if you beat someone with the wooden handle you would be hard pressed to do any real damage.


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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 3:09:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, forms of play that really dont fit SSC would be arranging rape scenarios with strangers, using medical staples to staple someone's labia to a butterfly board, forced prostitution, scrotal suturing, cock splitting, gun play, etc.


And the reality is much of that is considered foreplay by some.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 4:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've done at least one of those. Everything, or almost everything, can be made 'safer' with care, if it's a kink you want to explore. You may not get to do everything you want just the way you want, but most things can be done.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 4:37:23 PM   
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Do you leave your bubble wrap much?

Hitting the coccyx is incompetence and counter intuitive even to rank amatuers.


Yep, leave it all the time. Though sometimes its nice to just curl up inside of it.

As far as the coccyx, it happens and not only because of the incompetence of the spanker.

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As for the myth about kidneys, cops beat people to near unconciousness on the kidneys and rarely is there any kind of medical issue. I don't know if you know Jay Wiseman but some call him Captain Safety and we were talking one day about flogging and how even if you beat someone with the wooden handle you would be hard pressed to do any real damage.


Might want to discuss that with the school district in Mississippi, with the folks at Duke Medical Center, and the Kidney Foundation. And I am quite sure there are a number of Universities that would love to have the medical insight that you have. Might also want to look up the term "Rhabdomyolysis".

Damage can happen. In numerous ways. Not just because someone "hit" the kidney area.



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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 5:56:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi
RACK and SSC are not intended for the use of your SimplyMichaels, ResidentSadists, JEFFBCs, and LadyPacts (left out some names in this thread for brevity <3). Once you attain a level of experience, dare I say mastery, SSC and RACK are calculated in the background. The calculation of "is this safe?" and "does the bottom's consent still apply?" are done instantly and in the background.

So, check to the raiser: SSC = RACK to an expert because both are similarly quaint notions.

While I appreciate the thought, I'm not sure I belong in such a category. See, just My way of thinking, when one starts calculating that kind of thing in the background, or thinking they are above it, that invites complacency. That's where a lot of "old timers" tend to screw up. It's that mantra of "I've done it a thousand times and haven't had a problem" that gets the 'experienced' players. It's far too easy to forget that word "yet".

No offense to those who don't like that little four letter acronym or anybody who believes Me small minded for kind of liking the thing. If it helps Me in some way from having My "yet" I am totally cool with it.



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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 6:30:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rsk awareness... to me... means understanding all the risks... not only with the practice but the risks inherent with the one you are doing the action upon. Would you (not you specifically, you generally) flog someone just as hard if you discovered they were on aspirin or heparin therapy? Did you ask? Of course I would hope anyone in a relationship would know those answers about their partner. But what about play partners? Since I dont do that, I am not sure.



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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 7:14:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

So you are saying that the difference in one mantra vs the other is just Petty Incremental Nuances & Doesn't Indicate Cautious Kink (PINDICK)? It don't amount to a hill of beans between them? Nothing beats common sense, an educated bottom and a trained Top with mad skills? So RACK is just a watered down version of SSC and both are wrong because the whole concept is an insult to our intelligence and smells like a cheap marketing ploy . . . like trying to sell a bag of sharp needles as safer than a bag of broken glass?

Preaching to the choir bro.




THIS. Sooo this! Thanks for posting this RS. You rock!

ETA: I'm gonna start using NSNSSWC= Not Sane Not Safe SomeWhat Consensual.


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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 7:46:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The guy who runs the play party I go to (and volunteer as part of the dungeon setup crew ) started using a different acronym in response to the artificial debate between RACK and SSC. He started using RASH, Risk Aware, Shit Happens. He may have gotten this from somewhere else, I'm not certain about that. But I liked the idea. I think the important thing to remember, regardless of which alphabet soup you use, is that you can only minimize risk, you can't eliminate it. You also must be prepared in case something bad does happen.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 7:50:00 PM   
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Sorry but you are simply wrong if we are talking kidney damage due to common bdsm play. It rarely happens and when it does it has more to do with the individuals sensativity rather than high risk of the activity.

Jay Wiseman makes a living as an expert witness on these issues and they ate statistically insignificant.


The point being big kids in the scene in the real world would fall over laubing if anyone seriously suvgested paddles fell outside of SSC and were seriously risky.

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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 8:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Statistics doesnt matter when you are facing a judge. They dont matter when the sub is in the hospital. Cases happen all the time. Just because they dont happen "within the scene" doesnt mean they dont occur. Are you seriously going to say that people should not be aware of the risks in relation to what the Kindey Foundation, Medical Universities and Courts have pointed out should have been in consideration?

A school district in Mississippi has had 2 lawsuits filed... for the same thing... kidney damage and bruises due to paddling in relation to corporal punishments.

The National Kidney Foundation..... speaks of a university where 13 members of the varsity team came down with the condition rhabdomyolysis.

They might be called the unlucky 13. At the end of a strenuous workout, a baker's dozen University of Iowa football players ended up in the hospital with rhabdomyolysis (rhabdo=skeleton +myo=muscle + lysis=breakdown), a condition in which muscles break down quickly and spill their contents into the blood stream. Myoglobin is a protein that is contained in muscle cells, and if enough is spilled into the blood stream, it can clog the kidney's filtering system and lead to kidney failure and a variety of other serious medical consequences and complications. While muscles routinely get sore after physical activity, rhabdomyolysis takes that muscle injury to a higher level.

http://www.medicinenet.com/rhabdomyolysis/article.htm

Same page goes into some causes including....

muscle trauma or crush injury,
severe burns,
physical torture or child abuse,

Now, I would very much hope, and I will go so far as to assume, your group/s stop people before they get that far. However, from what you are saying, maybe not. And those who play at home/hotel rooms/ private... who knows when they stop.

So, yes, despite your protests, the risks are very real.



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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 8:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		meh. I have actually always liked when someone flogged the kidney area. Never had any damage. I get more damage to my kidneys from drinking soda. (ouch).

Imo, those who end up having problems to their kidneys and such are usually those who are very sensitive to such things or have other health problems that will be aggravated from hitting the kidneys.


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RE: Silly SSC vs RACK - 6/14/2013 8:17:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tell me, does that take away the risk of the activity? even for that person? or is that something that the person and the one who is engaging in that activity with him/her should know about and weigh the risks of going ahead with that activity?

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Imo, those who end up having problems to their kidneys and such are usually those who are very sensitive to such things or have other health problems that will be aggravated from hitting the kidneys.


You dont have to hit the kidneys to have those complications I posted above.

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