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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Alex bothers me because he is lieing asshole hypocrite, and that is me being nice. Everything he has posted on his webpage or broadcast on his radio show has been debunked by reporters, and private citizens. He makes his money feeding the paranoid minority in this country and could care less how many people his bullshit gets killed.

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Well, I still trust the government. Lets be reasonable: The 8 million people employed by the US Government (I am one of them, by the way) are not all conspiring to rob, poison, kill or enslave the other 297 million.
yes they are and did but I wont get into that right now.
Many people are lazy but most are good, most people have good motives. That includes most people in the CIA, most people in the FBI, and most people in the Pentagon, the way I see it.

Individuals and small groups both inside and outside our government, motivated by fear, greed, laziness and illogical thinking, do occasionally manage to pull off some real conspiracies. Evil doings of secret groups sometimes stay hidden for many years, even many decades. We know this because people are caught, tried, and thrown in jail for conspiracy. We know this, because years later, the facts come to light. Here are ten real proven US government conspiracies:

That means NOT THEORY
OUT RIGHT CONSPIRACY


The conspiracy of 1865 to assassinate U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and members of his cabinet.

Tuskegee Syphilis Study ongoing from 1932 to 1972 knowingly killed hundreds of low-income African American men. U.S. Public Health Service wanted to experiment with the effects of untreated syphilis. Low-income African American men were lured into study with promise of free health care. Instead they were intentionally lied to and given placebo treatments. Even when they could have easily been saved by penicillin they were left to die for the benefit of the syphilis study program. Tuskegee Syphilis Study Source

Human Radiation Experiments.1944 to 1974. In 1995 the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments reported that over a 30-year period, the government sponsored, through several different agencies, thousands of human radiation experiments and several hundred intentional releases of radiation. To the question of whether similar abuses could occur again, particularly in the case of intentional releases, the committee gives “a qualified yes.” It notes that some agencies can still invoke national security considerations to waive consent requirements, that agencies are often responsible for their own oversight, and that environmental impact statements relating to classified projects are not available for public scrutiny.

The 1945 Operation Paperclip, the extraction of top Nazi scientists to the US. … the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infiltrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX) Military Intelligence “cleansed” the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes. -ca

MKULTRA is a CIA experiment where drugs were given to Americans without their knowledge or consent. This involved giving LSD, marijuana, barbiturates, heroine, mescaline, alcohol and more to unsuspecting people. … started in 1950 to study mind control and behavior modification. In 1973 Richard Helms head of the CIA deliberately destroyed all the records. MKULTRA Source

Operation Mockingbird was a CIA project created to control the domestic and foreign media [beginning in the 1950s.] They bribed well-known writers and journalists to write … slanted propaganda. The goal was primarily to bribe writers to write about the dangers of communism and suppress any left wing political writing. In 1976 George H.W. Bush the new director of the CIA announced that this activity will stop but they would welcome the voluntary unpaid cooperation of writers. Operation Mockingbird Source

Project SHAD was created by the United States Department of Defense in 1962. They intentionally exposed our military personnel with biological and chemical agents on 46 different occasions. This was done without the military personnel knowledge or consent. They wanted to experiment on how soldiers can be exposed to dangerous chemicals and continue to fight. This testing was conducted from 1962-1973. The Department of Defense refused to admit SHAD existed until 1998. Project SHAD Source

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to “develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington”. This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on foreign governments. Osama Bin LadenOperation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is the name given to two separate incidents involving naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 4, 1964, the US government lied about war ships engaging North Vietnamese vessels in combat. In 2005, an official NSA declassified report stated. “[I]t is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night.” The Gulf of Tonkin Incident prompted the first large-scale involvement of U.S. armed forces in Southeast Asia.

The Watergate scandals 1972 to 1974 during the presidency of Richard Nixon resulted in the indictment of several of Nixon’s closest advisors and ultimately his resignation on August 9, 1974. The scandal revealed the existence of a White House dirty tricks squad, which was behind an orchestrated campaign of political sabotage, an enemies list, a “plumbers” unit to plug political leaks and a secret campaign slush fund associated with CRP, all with high-level administration involvement. It brought into the open the involvement of Attorney General John N. Mitchell in the dirty tricks, funds and cover-up, as well as key White House advisers, all of whom went to prison for these crimes, for sentences of one to four years.

All of these proven conspiracies by people in positions of power in the US government over the span of over 100 years aren’t simply cases of evil. Rather, one group, believing it is serving the greater good, harms or attempts to harm another group and tries to hide it.http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/ten-proven-us-government-conspiracies-and-why-i-still-trust-the-government/

One huge blind spot in human logic is that we are terrible with probabilities. Most people wrongly believe that when an event is dramatic it is also frequent.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

That was the last time you posted. That doesnt carry over to anything.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

what happened to the conspiracy thread?

did it vanish down the black hole?

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The reason this country is in such bad shape is that the banks made trillions of dollars of bad loans on everything from business start ups to home loans, and the bottom fell out.

The reason this country is in bad shape is because American companies would rather pay some poor slob in another country 50 cents a day instead of paying Americans a decent wage.

The reason this country is in such bad shape is because politicians, regardless of party, push their own agenda, and whatever agenda they are paid by lobbyists to push, and dont do a damn thing to actually improve this country in any way shape or form. They have let the infrastructure in this country deteriorate to the point that more than half the dams in this country are considered unsafe, most of the bridges are considered structurally unsound, and the highways are in such poor condition that you run the risk of blowing tires on fucking pot holes.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's going to be fun, watching people try to deny this one!

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's going to be fun, watching people try to deny this one!

I'd wait till the documentary comes out and people can take a look at what ever evidence these guys can present. The questions would be who and why didn't they take credit for the attack (terrorism isn't effective if no one knows it was terrorism).

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's going to be fun, watching people try to deny this one!

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's going to be fun, watching people try to deny this one!

I'd wait till the documentary comes out and people can take a look at what ever evidence these guys can present. The questions would be who and why didn't they take credit for the attack (terrorism isn't effective if no one knows it was terrorism).

DS, ya beat me to that one.
Ken, who says it was terrorism and not a military accident?
The latter would fit in a lot better with the facts as stated in the article. Our government is all too eager to scream "Terrorist attack" but they're really reluctant to own up to their own mistakes.