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I never really thought the Affordable health care act w... - 6/15/2013 7:23:28 PM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		I always said that the Affordable health care act was flawed. Everything that Obama said he wanted, he backed down on and did not push for it, caving into the Republicans, the tea party, and the insurance industry. The public mandate sucks now, and it sucked when republicans proposed it as a counter to the Clinton health care reform.

Yet the Dems pushed a flawed bill and got it made into law. Then the supreme court had a chance to strike it down as unconstitutional yet they said it was constitutional, a supreme court that has a conservative majority.

Now, since the passage of the Bill, every dem on the hill has heralded it as the best plan to put in place...

So tell me, why is this guy saying that congress should be exempted from using it.

quote:

Democratic Congressman: 'Not Fair' To Subject Congress To Obamacare Just Like Everyone Else

When the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”) was being debated, proponents were accused of saddling Americans with inferior and expensive health care while keeping generous coverage for themselves at taxpayer expense. To rebut that allegation and build confidence in the bill, a provision was added mandating that members of Congress – and their staff members – get their coverage through the new exchange system the bill set up. Now that the time to sign up for exchange coverage is nearing, a Democratic member, Rep. John Larson (D., Conn.), is saying that “this is simply not fair” – as key staff members head for the exits to avoid Obamacare.

Politico reports that “many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain” and notes that “[t]he problem is far more acute in the House, where lawmakers and aides are generally younger and less wealthy.”
A dem finally admits there are problems with the Affordable health care act.


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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 7:47:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lets talk about this. The quote came from a Politico interview.

Rep. John Larson, a Connecticut Democrat in leadership when the law passed, said he thinks the problem will be resolved.
“If not, I think we should begin an immediate amicus brief to say, ‘Listen this is simply not fair to these employees,’” Larson told POLITICO. “They are federal employees.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html#ixzz2WLLwUopL

Which employees? I have a feeling he meant the following, again, per the Politico piece.

More than a dozen senior aides interviewed by POLITICO about the issue declined to be named out of fear for future job prospects. The problem is most acutely felt at the staff level, where aides make between $35,000 and roughly $170,000 and budgetary problems have all but stopped pay increases and bonuses. Lawmakers have questioned leadership aides about the future of their health care.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691_Page2.html#ixzz2WLLVJYMr

Now, from what I do understand, the ones making 35,000 would be subsidized. Up to 42k a year, if I am not mistaken. And, personally, I am not worried about a group of junior aides who are upset they may have to pay more while people go without. No one in Congress cared when people were going without.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 7:52:58 PM   
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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 8:00:52 PM   
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How ever did you deduce this ?







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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 8:12:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		because some people are hypochondriacs and go to the dr- call the ambulance, use the ER - over any little thing. They are clogging the system for those who actually need it. This is why it can be a 5 hour wait in an emergency room.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 8:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		But in the final analysis isn't hypochondria a medical condition ?
Shouldn't it be treated ?
Or are you suggesting we ignore this condition

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 8:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those who are emergency cases, or they come in via an ambulance, get seen first, which is why the ER waiting room always seems clogged. Triage will determine if those who are waiting get seen. And, yes, they can refuse to treat if they believe the patient is not in danger. They do have to triage (assess) everyone who comes in.

That doesnt mean those who are waiting are hypochondriacs or are wasting someone's time.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 8:44:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell the last two times I went to the ER, I had no choice. Both times my sis called the squad, they took my vitals and said you are going to the hospital. Both times were after stings by either bees or wasps, and multiple stings. Seems my epi pen does not deal with five or more stings very well.

Now that is something that needs more work.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:14:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lets talk about this. The quote came from a Politico interview.

Rep. John Larson, a Connecticut Democrat in leadership when the law passed, said he thinks the problem will be resolved.
“If not, I think we should begin an immediate amicus brief to say, ‘Listen this is simply not fair to these employees,’” Larson told POLITICO. “They are federal employees.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html#ixzz2WLLwUopL

Which employees? I have a feeling he meant the following, again, per the Politico piece.

More than a dozen senior aides interviewed by POLITICO about the issue declined to be named out of fear for future job prospects. The problem is most acutely felt at the staff level, where aides make between $35,000 and roughly $170,000 and budgetary problems have all but stopped pay increases and bonuses. Lawmakers have questioned leadership aides about the future of their health care.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691_Page2.html#ixzz2WLLVJYMr

Now, from what I do understand, the ones making 35,000 would be subsidized. Up to 42k a year, if I am not mistaken. And, personally, I am not worried about a group of junior aides who are upset they may have to pay more while people go without. No one in Congress cared when people were going without.

The issue is an amendment to the ACA authored by a republican senator that forces all of Congress and there staffs into the exchanges but makes no allowances for a big employer like the feds to make any contribution to their employees premiums. It has nothing to do with how good or bad the ACA is. It is all about an amendment designed to be rejected by the Democrats so the GOP could score points off that rejection.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:23:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ACA is for the uninsured, I have great insurance and will not be participating, nor will anyone else who has good coverage either from an employer or as an individual.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:44:41 PM   
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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:46:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for your very educated answer.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:52:53 PM   
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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:52:57 PM   
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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 9:54:34 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Define "nonserious"? Are you there when they are triaged? Do you hold a medical degree? Would you constitute a bee sting as serious? How about a broken bone? A burn? A fever?

Tell me, what IS serious, in your opinion.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 10:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey I have a sever allergic reaction to bee and wasp stings, throat swells shut, cant breathe etc. The two times i got stung multiple times, the epi pen was at least making it possible to breathe, although my heart was racing, blood pressure down, close to passing out...

And my sister had to go and call 911. All i needed was a bit of time for the epi pen to work on the larger dose of venom.

I agree with hunk (god forgive me) if you are awake, breathing, have the blood loss under control, not running a fever over 103, (infants not over 101) then you do not need to go to the ER.

Hell I played two football games in high school with a fractured ankle... would have played more but the trainer was curious as to why my foot was still swollen two weeks after I claimed to have twisted it.

I seem to have an abnormally high tolerance for pain.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 10:25:39 PM   
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So you condone the fraud and abuse? No wonder it is a mess. Maybe your messiah Obama, the muslim can fix it for ya. HA!


No, I also dont condone people who proclaim that people abuse the system in massive enough numbers to cause the price gouging we see in health care.

A bee sting may seem nonserious to you. Someone allergic to stings can die.

Someone with a 104 fever definitely needs to be seen quickly.

Someone with a broken leg, especially the femur, can develop a fat embolism and die.

A burn can cause server infections, difficulty breathing if its over a large enough area.

You have YET to say what you consider nonserious.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 10:28:55 PM   
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I agree with hunk (god forgive me) if you are awake, breathing, have the blood loss under control, not running a fever over 103, (infants not over 101) then you do not need to go to the ER.


Last time the man went, he had no fever, he was breathing just fine, no blood loss, and was wide awake. What he did have was stomach pain that was not going away and was getting chronically worse.

A perforated appendix.

Immediate admission. Antibiotics for a week. Sent home, no surgery. He had surgery 3 months later.

Now, please, show me where in your opinion he should not have gone? He didnt fit in your qualifying check list. But a bad appendix can kill.

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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 10:35:23 PM   
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RE: I never really thought the Affordable health care a... - 6/15/2013 10:40:52 PM   
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I agree with hunk (god forgive me) if you are awake, breathing, have the blood loss under control, not running a fever over 103, (infants not over 101) then you do not need to go to the ER.

That is precisely how I destroyed my kidneys. For better than a week I had a sharp pain in my lower back when I moved in a certain way and had a low fever (101). Then I woke up in excruciating pain and my fever spiked to 104. An abscess in one of my kidneys had burst releasing all the bacteria and toxins into my system at once. By the time the hospital stay was over I had less than 10% function in my remaining functional kidney and was looking at dialysis and an eventual transplant. If I had gotten appropriate medical care as soon as I developed a fever I would still be working and not collecting disability and getting very very expensive medical care through Medicare.

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