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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

Back in 2005 I worked for a short period of time as a care staff....and I worked with an elderly man in his end 70s or early 80s...he has had no fever, has been awake, was breathing normally, did not lose any blood....and yet, call me weird, but I called the ambulance for him...

And why....simply because he dreamed to be dying and felt rotten...

And as I am a big believer in taking dreams seriously, I was not taking any chance...

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I woke up one morning with numbness in my face and bad eyes, I went to my doctor, who sent me immediately to the ER, where they sat me down for threee hours, apart from my face, I looked completely normal, no fever, nothing. I had bells palsy. and ended up having a cat scan And I live in canada, where my health care is socialised...
Another time he sent me to emerg for walking pneumonia,
the fact that emerg can get stuff done faster than booking an appointment for tests is another reason people go.
People ASSume for all kinds of reasons, and are blooody ignorant 99% of the time

With those symptoms I would have gone to the ER. That is an obvious potential emergency.

So it really doesn't affect my point at all.

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It demonstrates that in one instance- best use of services failed- and in the other case- best use of services prevailed.

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Dont forget- if people hog resources- that can deny from someone who needs it- for instance- a drug abuser who goes to the ER for dope.

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People are voting with their feet by medical tourism- you can got to India and get heart surgery for 1/10 the cost here. I am 100% for empowering the human.

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Corporations make laws that boost their profits- so they put a squeeze on resources and this jacks up the price.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I woke up one morning with numbness in my face and bad eyes, I went to my doctor, who sent me immediately to the ER, where they sat me down for threee hours, apart from my face, I looked completely normal, no fever, nothing. I had bells palsy. and ended up having a cat scan And I live in canada, where my health care is socialised...
Another time he sent me to emerg for walking pneumonia,
the fact that emerg can get stuff done faster than booking an appointment for tests is another reason people go.
People ASSume for all kinds of reasons, and are blooody ignorant 99% of the time

With those symptoms I would have gone to the ER. That is an obvious potential emergency.

So it really doesn't affect my point at all.

Yes it does, because I had gone to my own Doc he SENT me.
but I was just someone with no seeming injury in both cases to the people there, one who muttered, "people who have nothing wrong with them should be arrested".


You said....

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There is truth here. It is often simply common sense to figure out what is an emergency, and what can be taken care of by a normal visit to your PCP.

I didnt make that determination of it being an emergency, I was happy to go to my doc.

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It doesn't take a medical degree to know a runny nose and cough can be taken care of by visiting your PCP. Yet I have seen people go to the ER for less, family included.

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Actually , yes it does negate your points, simply because , unless you are medically able to assess what a roomful of ER clients are doing there, you are simply guessing, and unless you are making a survey of what someone is there for, and what they actually end up diagnosed with, while there, it is basically an ignorant one...

I have NO doubt that people use it wrongly, I know it from personal experience working and as a patient, but you are just tarring everyone with the same brush
Addicts,of all kinds use them, psych cases use them and many others, but to say people with runny noses and cough etc, can be taken care of by their PCP is not always true.

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I could dream of being in Brad Pitt's bed, that does not have a hope in hell of ever being so.. hmm, I think I will go have a lil nappy..

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And I would actually take the guy's "feeling rotten" to possibly be a sign something might be wrong, not his dreams

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There is truth here. It is often simply common sense to figure out what is an emergency, and what can be taken care of by a normal visit to your PCP.

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It doesn't take a medical degree to know a runny nose and cough can be taken care of by visiting your PCP. Yet I have seen people go to the ER for less, family included

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL its useless, you made a statement, that showed a lack of understanding (actually two of them.)

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There is truth here. It is often simply common sense to figure out what is an emergency, and what can be taken care of by a normal visit to your PCP.

AND

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It doesn't take a medical degree to know a runny nose and cough can be taken care of by visiting your PCP. Yet I have seen people go to the ER for less, family included

but now you claim I dont understand what you said. When its quite plainly easy to understand.
im not playing semantics with you, you arent responsible for what you actually say.

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There is truth here. It is often simply common sense to figure out what is an emergency, and what can be taken care of by a normal visit to your PCP.

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It doesn't take a medical degree to know a runny nose and cough can be taken care of by visiting your PCP. Yet I have seen people go to the ER for less, family included

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL its useless, you made a statement, that showed a lack of understanding (actually two of them.)

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There is truth here. It is often simply common sense to figure out what is an emergency, and what can be taken care of by a normal visit to your PCP.

AND

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It doesn't take a medical degree to know a runny nose and cough can be taken care of by visiting your PCP. Yet I have seen people go to the ER for less, family included

but now you claim I dont understand what you said. When its quite plainly easy to understand.
im not playing semantics with you, you arent responsible for what you actually say.

Then it should be obvious to you why those points haven't been negated.

That it wasn't obvious to you led me to assume that you were reading stuff into my points that weren't there, like Tazzy so often does.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im siding with patients, pahunk. Thats what a nurse does, advocate for the patient, among other things. And I will continue to do so. It has nothing to do with "k-street" or the "government" or some silly notion about Article 21 or anything else. In the matter of health care, I will side with the patient when its possible to do so.

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ORIGINAL: TheRockUHoldOnto

A significant number of Doctors have and will retire when Obamacare is fully in place (2014)
Many doctors are OPTING OUT of insurance and will deal directly with their patients.
Unfortunately Health CARE is not what is going on - PROFITS & CONTROL are the goal of the unholy alliance that
brought this monstrosity to reality.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What does that have to do with being a patient advocate and wanting people to get care when they need it?

1 - Because not everyone can pay their bills. That cost is shifted onto those who can, via health insurance.

2 - Because hospitals have to recoup costs somehow, pay for the incidentals in running the hospital... power, water, food, ect ect ect.

3 - NOBODY PAYS RETAIL The majority of hospitals are required by law to treat any person who walks into an emergency room whether that person has insurance or not. To make up for those who cannot or will not pay, a hospital sets its so-called gross charges very high.

At the same time, hospitals negotiate contracts with managed care and commercial insurance carriers that specify prices much lower than the gross charges. Medicare and Medicaid dictate lower rates for medical services to hospitals. In virtually every instance, “we get paid a lot less than we bill,” said Michelle Leone, senior vice president for revenue cycle operations at Continuum Health Partners in New York City.

You may receive a statement that shows your E.R. visit totaled $3,000, for example, but your insurer may agree to pay just $500, which the hospital will accept. Depending on your plan, you owe either a portion of that $500 — say, 20 percent, after a deductible — or a co-payment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/07/health/07patients.html?_r=0

Take your pick as to why. lets not forget those CEO's and COO's need a new home every year.