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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:04:02 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		To me it would be a birth certificate, passport, or SS number. Any valid Id that would reasonably indicate citizenship. I do understand that some poor and older citizens may not have a birth certificate or other ID so special procedures could and should be made in their cases.

I also understand the Supreme Courts decision because there is no doubt in my mind that some states controlled by one political party or the other tried to make voter registration difficult for some. I am not sure how they were doing so but I don't believe it was JUST proof of citizenship.\

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found it interesting that Justice Antonin Scalia was the one who wrote the majority ruling, considering that he is looked at as one of the hard-core conservatives on the SCOTUS.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:11:49 PM   
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Option 1

Show one original piece of identification with your photo, name and address. It must be issued by a government agency.

Examples

Driver's Licence
Ontario Health Card
Note: Not all electors in Ontario will have cards with photo, name and address
Provincial/Territorial Identification Card for the provinces/territories of
Newfoundland and Labrador
Prince Edward Island
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Manitoba
Alberta
British Columbia
Northwest Territories
Nunavut


Option 2

Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have your name and one must also have your address.

Identity Cards

Driver's Licence
Health Card
Canadian Passport
Certificate of Canadian Citizenship (Citizenship Card)
Birth Certificate
Certificate of Indian Status (Status Card)
Social Insurance Number Card
Old Age Security Card
Student ID Card
Provincial/Territorial Identification Card
Liquor Identification Card
Hospital/Medical Clinic Card
Credit/Debit Card
Employee Card
Public Transportation Card
Library Card
Canadian Forces Identity Card
Veterans Affairs Canada Health Card
Canadian Blood Services/Héma-Québec Card
CNIB ID Card
Firearm Possession and Acquisition Licence or Possession Only Licence
Fishing, Trapping or Hunting Licence
Outdoors or Wildlife Card/Licence
Hospital bracelet worn by residents of long-term care facilities
Parolee Identification Card
Original documents
(with name and address)

Utility Bill (telephone, TV, public utilities commission, hydro, gas or water)
Bank/Credit Card Statement
Vehicle Ownership/Insurance
Correspondence issued by a school, college or university
Statement of Government Benefits (employment insurance, old age security, social assistance, disability support or child tax benefit)
Attestation of Residence issued by the responsible authority of a First Nations band or reserve
Government Cheque or Cheque Stub
Pension Plan Statement of Benefits, Contributions or Participation
Residential Lease/Mortgage Statement
Income/Property Tax Assessment Notice
Insurance Policy
Letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
One of the following, issued by the responsible authority of a shelter, soup kitchen, student/senior residence, or long-term care facility: Attestation of Residence, Letter of Stay, Admission Form or Statement of Benefits

Notes:

For electors residing in seniors’ residences and long-term care facilities, a photocopy of an item on the list is acceptable. This exception is made to address the fact that when residents are admitted, they routinely transfer their original ID to the administrator or to members of their family.
A document with an address may be used as proof of the elector's residential address only if it was written by the issuer of the document. For example, a passport cannot be used as proof of address because the address is filled in by the passport holder. A passport can still be used to prove your name.
No document other than those included on this list may be accepted to establish the name and address of an elector.


Option 3

Take an oath and have an elector who knows you vouch for you (both of you will be required to make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as you. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.

Examples: a neighbour, your roommate.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:14:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

To me it would be a birth certificate, passport, or SS number. Any valid Id that would reasonably indicate citizenship.



What proof do you have any of that is legit?

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:15:38 PM   
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I found it interesting that Justice Antonin Scalia was the one who wrote the majority ruling, considering that he is looked at as one of the hard-core conservatives on the SCOTUS.

Sometimes the person assigning an opinion will give it to the justice most likely to change his or her mind as a way of keeping the writer on board.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:21:37 PM   
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The US Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot force residents to show proof of US citizenship when they register to vote.
In a 7-2 decision, the justices said that the 2004 Arizona law was trumped by a federal law.
The Supreme Court said it was enough to ask prospective voters to tick a box on forms stating they are US citizens, without demanding documentary proof.
It is Arizona's latest immigration-related law to reach the top court.
The state is in frequent legal clashes with the federal government over the issue.
Four states have similar laws and 12 more have been considering such measures.
In the majority ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that a 1993 national law designed to make it easier to register to vote took precedence over Arizona's requirement.
The 1993 law requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's licence or certain benefits.
On the federal form, applicants are asked to state under oath that they are US citizens, on penalty of perjury.
But Arizona argued such assurances were not enough in their state, which borders Mexico.
The state's 2004 law added a requirement that applicants provide a US birth certificate, passport or other proof of citizenship.
Justice Scalia said the federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself".
Immigrant rights groups, who said the law put an undue burden on naturalised citizens, hailed the decision.
Two of the court's more conservative members, Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented.
The US Constitution "authorises states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections", Justice Thomas wrote in his dissent.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22941984


Here's what is interesting, though. I think there were only 2 States that would allow an illegal resident to get a Driver's License. That is, 2 States didn't require proof of legal residence to get a driver's license. So, if someone qualifies for a State ID/Driver's License from any of the other 48, they would have legal residence. It's possible that they could be her legally, but not be US Citizens, but this will weed out illegals within those 48 States.




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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:22:45 PM   
kdsub


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What proof do you have any of that is legit?


What proof do you have that any id is legit for any reason... this does not stop my local police department wanting me to have a license.

Reasonable expectation of validity of an id is still better than just checking a box...in my opinion.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:37:06 PM   
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Here's what is interesting, though. I think there were only 2 States that would allow an illegal resident to get a Driver's License. That is, 2 States didn't require proof of legal residence to get a driver's license. So, if someone qualifies for a State ID/Driver's License from any of the other 48, they would have legal residence. It's possible that they could be her legally, but not be US Citizens, but this will weed out illegals within those 48 States.


SANTA FE — Gone are the days when New Mexico and Washington were the only states to issue driver's licenses to immigrants in the country illegally.
Last week, the governors of Oregon and Maryland signed bills that will allow state residents without proof of immigration status to obtain driver's licenses. Illinois authorized a driver's license law for illegal immigrants earlier this year.
Colorado legislators on Wednesday approved a similar bill, though no Republicans voted for it. Colorado's governor, Democrat John Hickenlooper, has not said whether he will sign the bill into law.
Rhode Island, Connecticut and Washington, D.C., are considering expanding their driver's license laws to include those without proof of immigration status.
Until the wave of recent changes, New Mexico and Washington state stood alone by granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Utah issues driving privilege cards to people without documentation of immigration status.

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_23223441/other-states-join-new-mexico-granting-drivers-licenses



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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:39:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

What proof do you have any of that is legit?


What proof do you have that any id is legit for any reason... this does not stop my local police department wanting me to have a license.

Reasonable expectation of validity of an id is still better than just checking a box...in my opinion.

Butch


Maybe if we stopped taking their money and fucking them over, they wouldnt want to vote.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 6:44:20 PM   
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Maybe if we stopped taking their money and fucking them over, they wouldnt want to vote.


Sorry tazzy you lost me... I don't know who or what you are talking about.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 7:14:21 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Illegal immigrants come here... work.... get a paycheck. Wage enforcement doesnt care about legality, they care about wages... so employers have to take out taxes. These people get no benefit from those taxes taken. Often times, the SS cards are stolen, no tax returns.... FICA, state, local, ect ect ect.

They dont retire.... disability? probably not...the kids might benefit, the workers do not.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 7:17:31 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		So you believe that someone who comes into this country illegally and works and pays taxes should have the right to vote?

I think someone who comes into this country legally... works... pays taxes ...and applies for... and obtains citizenship has the right to vote.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 7:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. I said if we stop ripping them off, they may not try to vote.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 7:23:10 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I see now...but I guess they would not come unless it was a benefit to them even with unscrupulous employers taking advantage of them.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 7:28:50 PM   
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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 8:14:59 PM   
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Interesting in the differences between the US and the UK voting systems.

Regardless of how the votes are counted, there is a fundamental difference on if someone is eligable to vote.

Over here, when you are born, you are allocated a National Insurance number and entered onto the census records.
Originally designed so that real UK citizens would qualify for use of our National Health Service.
I guess it's about the equivalent of your SSID number??
Anyways, you can also get one if you are granted legal citizenship to the UK.

At the same time,you are also entered onto the census records.
Every year, by law, every single household must fill out a form to declare every person over the age of 18 who lives there.
Those records are used to cross-reference the names in the census records and discrepancies are raised if they don't match.
At voting time, every eligable person is sent out a voting authorisation card.
Without that, you can't vote in any election; national or local.
You have to have a valid voters card in order to vote when you go to the polling booths.
That means that illegals (tax paying or not), underage, foreign students, visitors etc, are not eligable to vote.

I wonder why they can't have something similar in the US??
It would save all the confusion.

ETA: other forms of ID are not required. You have a voters card or you don't. That's the end to it.

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 8:18:14 PM   
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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 9:26:45 PM   
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Every year, by law, every single household must fill out a form to declare every person over the age of 18 who lives there.
Those records are used to cross-reference the names in the census records and discrepancies are raised if they don't match.
At voting time, every eligable person is sent out a voting authorisation card.
Without that, you can't vote in any election; national or local.

so there are no homeless people in the UK then? or are those people 2nd class citizens with no right to vote in their country?

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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 10:12:59 PM   
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RE: Arizona voter registration law illegal - US Supreme... - 6/17/2013 10:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Direct deposit, on line banking, ATM.... once an account is opened, you dont need ID unless you go to a teller...and many people have very old accounts.

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