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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

So this is a topic that I am very interested in but who might sound a bit crazy to many and that is spiritual and magickal BDSM, as in using kink for spiritual purposes or for magickal ritual. Now spiritual BDSM can be for example a couple where they see service to the Master is service to God, or a Pagan couple where the Dom use the sub as a magickal tool. I was just wondering if there is anyone else here who have a spiritual orientation to their kink or who use BDSM for occult practices and if so if you would like to have a nice discussion and debate about the topic?

I have made a YouTube video about the topic as well if anyone is interested, just a 101 about my views on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OEzcU5CZw

Anyway for me I am very interested in both using pain to attain Gnosis and to be used as a tool for magick for another practitioner. I am also very spiritual and everything I do get colored by my religious views so naturally kink get spiritual to for me. I do think that for me being submissive is part of my inner self, perhaps part of my soul and so that one way that I can develop spiritually are through such activities and as such scenes become religious rituals for me.

I wish you all well

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

This likely is not what You had in mind but - serving [my] Master is my Spiritual practice.

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I've been a initiate of a BTW Craft Trad for over fifteen years. About as long as I was into BDSM. My Trad is not Gardnerian in exact linage. But I've read some of the stuff Gerald Gardner wrote back in the day. Talked to peeps about his methods. He clearly utilized BDSM skills/techniques to induce more powerful changes in consciousness. I say he, but my trad does not originate with him or any of his direct line. And we do similar.

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Yet. I've been "selfish" or prude, cuz wife and I have kept BDSM mostly in the bedroom and have not expounded on what we were taught even tho we are in a great place to do so as kinksters. Stuff works great, why mess with it has basically been our motto. Until recently.

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If this is of interest to you I suggest reading Gardners writings as well as those of Allister Crowley (try to have an open mind) as well as what Doreen Valiente wrote. Each offers a unique perspective.

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An interesting side note.. At lease one informed pro Dom (a Lady of course) has comented that Gerald was "Topping from the Bottom"

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Hmm, interesting topic. I've had many friends who are Pagans/Wiccans. I even went to a Pagan Festival before. Very friendly people. I wonder if people in in this Lifestyle practice Magick with their rituals.

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This likely is not what You had in mind but - serving [my] Master is my Spiritual practice.

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I must say this is a very powerful area to explore. But go cautiously and mind the state of your relationship to your partner if you use one. Also. Take very detailed notes.

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And as a warning to all. Many of those who claim to follow Crowley only do so because they think they can act however they want, and be hedonistic gits. That was not his message. Don't trust people like that. Please.

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My phones volume is damaged and I can't hear your video over the equipment running here at work. It's a my janky and abused I phone not a prob with your video. I'll watch it tonight with my wife. I apologize for not being able to comment on it before then.

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I get your meaning. But... It's actually a very powerful truth you just spoke. Serving your Master being your spiritual experiance is essentially you connecting with "the God" and male divinity. When I "worship" my wife I am worshiping all women and the female Devine by "proxy".

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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I've been a initiate of a BTW Craft Trad for over fifteen years. About as long as I was into BDSM. My Trad is not Gardnerian in exact linage. But I've read some of the stuff Gerald Gardner wrote back in the day. Talked to peeps about his methods. He clearly utilized BDSM skills/techniques to induce more powerful changes in consciousness. I say he, but my trad does not originate with him or any of his direct line. And we do similar.

Gardener certainly had some elements of BDSM in his writings yes, allot of rituals that involved whips and rope. However the question is if you can call this BDSM themed when the purpose of it is not BDSM, the intent is not. I mean they cane people in prisons in Malaysia, I would not call that BDSM even if the prisoners are bound and get caned on their bare behinds, for the intention is not BDSM. But I guess such things are a matter of perspective. I mean many would seeE a ritual where the applicant is bound naked and flogged to cleanse her and to facilitate a new beginning in his or her life as BDSM, though I am not so sure I would. I do not see all pain rituals as BDSM, though there are flowing lines here.

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Yet. I've been "selfish" or prude, cuz wife and I have kept BDSM mostly in the bedroom and have not expounded on what we were taught even tho we are in a great place to do so as kinksters. Stuff works great, why mess with it has basically been our motto. Until recently.

Why would it be selfish or prude if you keep BDSM to the bedroom? Is it not up to the individual how public they want their kink? No one else should have anything to say about that...well unless you want it way...way...way...public as in having a scene on the bus, that people might not be to fond of, but anything else, if you want to keep it hidden, do that, if you want to be more open about it do that, it is up to you and your wife.

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If this is of interest to you I suggest reading Gardners writings as well as those of Allister Crowley (try to have an open mind) as well as what Doreen Valiente wrote. Each offers a unique perspective.

I have been an occultist for 21 years. I am well read in Crowley's works, familliar with Gardner. Valiente I have not gotten to yet but yes I do plan to write her works as well

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An interesting side note.. At lease one informed pro Dom (a Lady of course) has comented that Gerald was "Topping from the Bottom"

Gerard as in Gardner...that is to funny, can you show me where you found that quote please? I would love to read it.

I wish you well

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This is definitely spiritual for me. Serving Himself is (among other things) my way of opening myself up to my own inner Goddess, it also allows me to honor the patriarchal structure that our culture is founded upon.

Though I'm not a pagan (I don't adhere to any ism) I daily strive to be more in tune with nature and more in touch with the primal instincts in all of us.

Being aware of my spiritual side makes me a better, more well-rounded human being.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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I've been a initiate of a BTW Craft Trad for over fifteen years. About as long as I was into BDSM. My Trad is not Gardnerian in exact linage. But I've read some of the stuff Gerald Gardner wrote back in the day. Talked to peeps about his methods. He clearly utilized BDSM skills/techniques to induce more powerful changes in consciousness. I say he, but my trad does not originate with him or any of his direct line. And we do similar.

Gardener certainly had some elements of BDSM in his writings yes, allot of rituals that involved whips and rope. However the question is if you can call this BDSM themed when the purpose of it is not BDSM, the intent is not. I mean they cane people in prisons in Malaysia, I would not call that BDSM even if the prisoners are bound and get caned on their bare behinds, for the intention is not BDSM. But I guess such things are a matter of perspective. I mean many would see a ritual where the applicant is bound naked and flogged to cleanse her and to facilitate a new beginning in his or her life as BDSM, though I am not so sure I would. I do not see all pain rituals as BDSM, though there are flowing lines here.

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Yet. I've been "selfish" or prude, cuz wife and I have kept BDSM mostly in the bedroom and have not expounded on what we were taught even tho we are in a great place to do so as kinksters. Stuff works great, why mess with it has basically been our motto. Until recently.

Why would it be selfish or prude if you keep BDSM to the bedroom? Is it not up to the individual how public they want their kink? No one else should have anything to say about that...well unless you want it way...way...way...public as in having a scene on the bus, that people might not be to fond of, but anything else, if you want to keep it hidden, do that, if you want to be more open about it do that, it is up to you and your wife.

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If this is of interest to you I suggest reading Gardners writings as well as those of Allister Crowley (try to have an open mind) as well as what Doreen Valiente wrote. Each offers a unique perspective.

I have been an occultist for 21 years. I am well read in Crowley's works, familliar with Gardner. Valiente I have not gotten to yet but yes I do plan to write her works as well

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An interesting side note.. At lease one informed pro Dom (a Lady of course) has comented that Gerald was "Topping from the Bottom"

Gerard as in Gardner...that is to funny, can you show me where you found that quote please? I would love to read it.

I wish you well

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To be exact. BTW scholars say Gerald may have studied with out Progenetoriss. But that's wear our stuff diverges. We do not share a single rite with his Trad. But our rites do parellel each other. Enough so that my Trad is called BTW which is mostly made of Gerald's descendants.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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To be exact. BTW scholars say Gerald may have studied with out Progenetoriss. But that's wear our stuff diverges. We do not share a single rite with his Trad. But our rites do parellel each other. Enough so that my Trad is called BTW which is mostly made of Gerald's descendants.

You have to forgive me I am horrible with shortened words and acronyms, what do BTW stand for again?

There are allot of scholars who say allot of things about Gardener, some of it may even be true. :P

I wish you well

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ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky

To be exact. BTW scholars say Gerald may have studied with out Progenetoriss. But that's wear our stuff diverges. We do not share a single rite with his Trad. But our rites do parellel each other. Enough so that my Trad is called BTW which is mostly made of Gerald's descendants.