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Every contribution I have made so far has been about 2nd trimester mothers (13 to 28 weeks) because we were and have, I thought, been talking about 2nd trimester abortions.

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This is why second trimester inductions take 3 to 4 days and often result in C-section or more tragically in some cases, a D&E.

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Are you saying that all mothers who come into labour under 28 weeks would opt for an abortion if they knew the facts? Do you really think mothers that give birth to babies under 28 weeks don't know the facts?

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As far as corticosteroids, they can do huge good, especially for sticky lungs. Not all babies will respond but a lot will.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

many babies born in the second trimester survive, some dont and yes, there are often complications but technology is striding on and many late second trimester babies are growing up without ongoing problems. micro preemies are another story but if you re-read what I wrote you will see that I was saying just that. You are saying that any baby born within the second trimester will either die or suffer from a multitude of physical and mental problems I strongly disagree.

Are you saying that all mothers who come into labour under 28 weeks would opt for an abortion if they knew the facts? Do you really think mothers that give birth to babies under 28 weeks don't know the facts?

As far as corticosteroids, they can do huge good, especially for sticky lungs. Not all babies will respond but a lot will.

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It found that the number of babies born at 22-25 weeks and admitted to intensive care increased by 44 per cent during this period and overall survival increased by 13 per cent (from 40 to 53 per cent). There was no significant increase in survival of babies born before 24 weeks – the current legal limit for abortion – and the number of babies who experienced major health complications remained unchanged.

The second study examined the health of the 2006 babies at three years of age and compared this with findings from the 1995 cohort at a similar age. It found that while 11 per cent more babies survived to age three without disability, the proportion of survivors born between 22–25 weeks with severe disability was about the same (18 per cent in 1995 and 19 per cent in 2006).

There was also a relationship between gestation and the risk of disability, with babies born earlier being more likely to have serious health complications at three years of age.

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Both sides are twisted. The pro-lifers twist and exaggerate and the pro abortionists twist and play down things. Only scientific papers can show an unbiased view.

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why do you call me 'she' and 'her'. My name is Maria and it was me, Marie who contributed to this thread. By referring to me as 'she' you are being condescending. Now weather that's deliberate or not, I don't know but I can't continue to debate and discuss like this.

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Just to re-iterate, I am against late term abortion on a healthy viable foetus on unintended pregnancies. (Private clinics across the western world still perform late abortions for that reason)

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I am against late second trimester abortion on a healthy viable foetus via dilation and extraction methods, when the mother could have a c-section.

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I am not anti abortion perse.

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On a side note' I have worked in both Obstetrics and Neonatology and whilst I don't claim to be an expert, I do have medical experience in this field.

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Abortion in France is legal on demand up to 12-weeks after conception (14 weeks after the last menstrual period),[1][2] since the Veil Law in 1975. Abortions at later stages of pregnancy are allowed if two physicians certify that the abortion will be done to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable.

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France was the first country to legalize the use of RU-486 as an abortifacient in 1988, allowing its use up to seven weeks of pregnancy. By one estimate, a quarter of all French abortions now use RU-486.

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A pregnant girl under the age of 18 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first if she accompanied to the clinic by an adult of her choice, who must not tell her parents or any third party about the abortion

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The six Republicans opposing the bill are Reps. Paul Broun (Georgia), Charles Dent (Pennsylvania), Rodney Frelinghuysen (New Jersey), Richard Hanna (New York), Jon Runyan (New Jersey) and Rob Woodall (Georgia).

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The six Republicans opposing the bill are Reps. Paul Broun (Georgia), Charles Dent (Pennsylvania), Rodney Frelinghuysen (New Jersey), Richard Hanna (New York), Jon Runyan (New Jersey) and Rob Woodall (Georgia).

Lets hear a shout out for the 6 Republicans who feel they have no business inside a woman's womb for a second time.

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Lets hear a shout out for the 6 Republicans who feel they have no business inside a woman's womb for a second time.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Wow. People claim that a fetus can't feel pain during an abortion then, when it's damned-near proven with new evidence, the science worshippers insist that that isn't good enough and are hell-bent on murdering the unborn (pain or no pain), anyway.

Wonderful people these are ... NOT.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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The risk of death from abortion increases as pregnancy progresses.

Abortion complications can result in maternal death. Since abortion was legalized in the United States in 1973, more than 400 women are known to have died from legal abortions.[4] The risk of death is higher in later stages of pregnancy. A study of national data on abortion-related mortality from 1988 to 1997 found that at 13-15 weeks of gestation, the rate of abortion-related mortality was 14.7 per 100,000; at 16-20 weeks, the rate rose to 29.5 per 100,000; and at or after 21 weeks, the rate reached 76.6 deaths per 100,000.[5]


Medical knowledge acquired over the last four decades demonstrates that abortion is riskier than childbirth for women and justifies a prohibition at 20 weeks based on concerns for maternal safety.

Existing medical data confirms that abortion is increasingly less safe than childbirth as pregnancy advances. (See Section I.) The long-term risks of abortion justify a prohibition to ensure maternal safety, in which the states have a compelling interest “once an abortion may be more dangerous than childbirth.” (City of Akron v. Akron Center for Reproductive Health, 462 U.S. at 460 (1983) (O‘Connor, J., dissenting).

http://www.aul.org/womens-health-defense-actlate-term-abortion-ban/

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ORIGINAL: MariaB


The risk of death from abortion increases as pregnancy progresses.

Abortion complications can result in maternal death. Since abortion was legalized in the United States in 1973, more than 400 women are known to have died from legal abortions.[4] The risk of death is higher in later stages of pregnancy. A study of national data on abortion-related mortality from 1988 to 1997 found that at 13-15 weeks of gestation, the rate of abortion-related mortality was 14.7 per 100,000; at 16-20 weeks, the rate rose to 29.5 per 100,000; and at or after 21 weeks, the rate reached 76.6 deaths per 100,000.[5]


Medical knowledge acquired over the last four decades demonstrates that abortion is riskier than childbirth for women and justifies a prohibition at 20 weeks based on concerns for maternal safety.

Existing medical data confirms that abortion is increasingly less safe than childbirth as pregnancy advances. (See Section I.) The long-term risks of abortion justify a prohibition to ensure maternal safety, in which the states have a compelling interest “once an abortion may be more dangerous than childbirth.” (City of Akron v. Akron Center for Reproductive Health, 462 U.S. at 460 (1983) (O‘Connor, J., dissenting).

http://www.aul.org/womens-health-defense-actlate-term-abortion-ban/

One thing I've learned over the years, all anti abortion groups lie all the time.

For instance this stat is true, 400 women have died from complications of abortion since 1973. However they fail to put that into perspective. In the years since 1973 more than 56 million abortions have been peformed. 400/56 million = a rate of 0.0000007 maternal deaths per abortion or 0.7 per 100,000 that compares to 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in the US. Abortion is roughly 10 times safer than giving birth in the US.