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Thanks for the kudos. I don't know why you said I made a misrepresentation about the process of colonization in the Middle East. I made NO representations about the process of colonization there, at all.

The original poster said all colonizers were evil. The west is terrible. The sky is falling! Why can't you recognize how evil you are etc etc. I said that colonization is one data point in a spectrum of statecraft for both the dominant and subdominant culture. And it is. Certainlly cultures can (and have) resisted to the death before - but this is not actually to what I was referring.

Areas become colonies (or client states) voluntarily as well. For example the US (and britain, to some extent) set up the hashemites as kings in Saudia Arabia and Jordan. And while our influence with these client states is fading - nonetheless this has been a profitable for both countries.

As I said, client states, colonies, allies (like the us/britain) - all are just points on the continuum of statecraft where states try to effect results to the benefits of their nations.

and what is a state for 100?

nothing more than an association of businesses for profit, mostly their own, who eventually force all inhabitants to into their religion worshiping the almighty dollar. Meantime and over time they claim they have jurisdiction over every fucking thing, and through corporate loans et al the bank comes in and ultimately enslaves the whole 9 yards.

You unwittingly proved how states are created and hence their illegitimacy of jurisdiction over ANYONE but their own signed sealed delivered members.


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Why do you think I *unwittingly* proved that?

Of *course* that's all a state is.

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There are about 44 million Muslims in Europe at the moment. In 2030 there will be about sixty million. How is that not an invasion by nearly one million Muslims per year?

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btw, kudos for your assumed name, dawg.

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You know what is racist? This: When a Muslim girl allows herself to be courted by a Christian male, she is murdered by her relatives. I do not know of any exceptions.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Thanks for the kudos. I don't know why you said I made a misrepresentation about the process of colonization in the Middle East. I made NO representations about the process of colonization there, at all.

The original poster said all colonizers were evil. The west is terrible. The sky is falling! Why can't you recognize how evil you are etc etc. I said that colonization is one data point in a spectrum of statecraft for both the dominant and subdominant culture. And it is. Certainlly cultures can (and have) resisted to the death before - but this is not actually to what I was referring.

Areas become colonies (or client states) voluntarily as well. For example the US (and britain, to some extent) set up the hashemites as kings in Saudia Arabia and Jordan. And while our influence with these client states is fading - nonetheless this has been a profitable for both countries.

As I said, client states, colonies, allies (like the us/britain) - all are just points on the continuum of statecraft where states try to effect results to the benefits of their nations.

and what is a state for 100?

nothing more than an association of businesses for profit, mostly their own, who eventually force all inhabitants to into their religion worshiping the almighty dollar. Meantime and over time they claim they have jurisdiction over every fucking thing, and through corporate loans et al the bank comes in and ultimately enslaves the whole 9 yards.

You unwittingly proved how states are created and hence their illegitimacy of jurisdiction over ANYONE but their own signed sealed delivered members.


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Why do you think I *unwittingly* proved that?

Of *course* that's all a state is.

so you intended to prove it then.

Statism in its present form is entirely out dated and useless and should be all but completely abolished right along with state/fed taxation which is nothing more than the extension of british feudalism.

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Although, personally I would end the TSA, end the NSA spying on domestic phone calls. I would put a cap on the max size of big govt, big business, and big labor.

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And yet the difference between client-state and colony does not. Could it be because you have different standards depending on whether you agree with the POV?

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There are about 44 million Muslims in Europe at the moment. In 2030 there will be about sixty million. How is that not an invasion by nearly one million Muslims per year?

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Immigration doesnt equal invasion. Mulims born in the UK dont equal invasion. Your statement is rather racist to say the least.

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And yet the difference between client-state and colony does not. Could it be because you have different standards depending on whether you agree with the POV?

So, you are asking me if I am consistent because of subjectivity? No, it is for love to logic.

*slapface*

So. Imperialism is not the same as colonialism, and "client state" is not the same as colonialism. You care to say something about colonialism?

Ah, no, I forgot, for you both they are the same because they are "points on a continuum of tools of statecraft", as looking angry at somebody is as licit as genocide ("points on a continuum of agression"), and a fly is as big as a planet ("points on a continuum of size"). Sorry for asking, forget about it... see you when you return from your world to this one.

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So it bothers you the Chinese treat the United States the way the United States and Europeans have treated the rest of the world for centuries?

You are the among those here justifying imperialism, so you should not complain about being paid in your own coins.

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Areas become colonies (or client states) voluntarily as well. For example the US (and britain, to some extent) set up the hashemites as kings in Saudia Arabia and Jordan. And while our influence with these client states is fading - nonetheless this has been a profitable for both countries.

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When the Swedish or French emigrate to another country, do you see them not assimilate, earn low wages and rioting?

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So it bothers you the Chinese treat the United States the way the United States and Europeans have treated the rest of the world for centuries?

You are the among those here justifying imperialism, so you should not complain about being paid in your own coins.

The Chinese are not treating the United States in the fashion you surmise. The employment of slave labor in Asia is actively engaged by American and European corporations with the assistance of the Asian states. China allows her people to be exploited, to live in crowded, polluted urban slums and work long hours with little respite. China allows massive migration from its rural regions and withholds urban passports for its citizens, depriving them of healthcare and education. Is that a triumph for China over America?

Was it China's triumph that 1000 Bangledeshi workers were trapped and killed at their workplace? I don't think so. Such exploitation of labour is not new of course neither in the West nor in Asia. But it is hardly a triumph of statesmanship. You may wish that China emerges as the more powerful nation but don't hold your breath. It will not happen soon.

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Although, personally I would end the TSA, end the NSA spying on domestic phone calls. I would put a cap on the max size of big govt, big business, and big labor.

And putting a cap on big govt, big biz, and big tool would be who . . . big god? Your comments earlier make sense within the stream of real politik but here you seem to be tilting at windmills. Six billion people in the world, supersonic transportation, worldwide personal communications and money exchange at the speed of light and you dream of what . . . a bucolic agricultural society of small towns and counties?? This aint Kansas anymore, Toto.

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Areas become colonies (or client states) voluntarily as well. For example the US (and britain, to some extent) set up the hashemites as kings in Saudia Arabia and Jordan. And while our influence with these client states is fading - nonetheless this has been a profitable for both countries.

Fine. But this does not describe the intrusion of Zionism into the Levant during the early part of the 20th C. Nor does it speak to the religious zealotry that drives the continuing oppression of Palestinians in the West Bank by the settlement movement and the IDF, destroying vast amounts of olive orchards and shooting randomly and wantonly to terrorize small villages. You theories of statescraft are blind to the immoral activities taking place on the ground.