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SadistDave -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 12:58:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave I'm sure the right-to-take-a-lifers in the Texas Democratic party can expect more butthurt from the deal when they challenge the vote. -SD- Dave, can I steal that? Peace and comfort, Michael Feel free to use it, dare I say, liberally. -SD-

stef -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 1:04:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Dave, can I steal that? Why are you asking him, he didn't come up with it. Original thought isn't exactly one of his strong suits. Seems like there's a lot of that going on in the "old white guys who want to control women's bodies" party.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 1:08:20 AM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_white_male Yes, you can use it [:D]

stef -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 1:15:38 AM)
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/texas-senator-filibusters-against-abortion-bill quote: AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas' lieutenant governor has acknowledged that Republicans missed their deadline to pass new abortion restrictions after protesters screamed down lawmakers as the final 15 minutes passed before the special legislative session's deadline. Senators from both parties emerged from a private meeting with Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and said they were about to officially acknowledge that fact. Immediately following the vote, Republicans insisted they had started voting before the midnight deadline and passed the bill that Democrats spent much of Tuesday filibustering. But after official computer records and printouts of the voting record showed the vote took place Wednesday, and then were changed to read Tuesday, the senators convened for a private meeting. So the wonderful upstanding members of the Republican party tried to falsify records to sneak the vote in. I'm shocked. Shocked I say.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 1:27:11 AM)
Oh but thats ok, of course. The fact that very,very few of them even understand fetal anatomy is also ok, of course. The fact that most of those opposed to abortion, such as some people who post on these boards, is ok, of course. After all, we are speaking about what is MORALLY right! Whats a few lies in the face of something so morally repugnant. / dripping sarcasm

DomKen -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 2:55:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef http://bigstory.ap.org/article/texas-senator-filibusters-against-abortion-bill quote: AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas' lieutenant governor has acknowledged that Republicans missed their deadline to pass new abortion restrictions after protesters screamed down lawmakers as the final 15 minutes passed before the special legislative session's deadline. Senators from both parties emerged from a private meeting with Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and said they were about to officially acknowledge that fact. Immediately following the vote, Republicans insisted they had started voting before the midnight deadline and passed the bill that Democrats spent much of Tuesday filibustering. But after official computer records and printouts of the voting record showed the vote took place Wednesday, and then were changed to read Tuesday, the senators convened for a private meeting. So the wonderful upstanding members of the Republican party tried to falsify records to sneak the vote in. I'm shocked. Shocked I say. Shocking. Looks like they gave up. I'm guessing the fact that the whole sordid affair was streamed to thousands live might have had an effect.

SadistDave -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 3:02:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: stef http://bigstory.ap.org/article/texas-senator-filibusters-against-abortion-bill quote: AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas' lieutenant governor has acknowledged that Republicans missed their deadline to pass new abortion restrictions after protesters screamed down lawmakers as the final 15 minutes passed before the special legislative session's deadline. Senators from both parties emerged from a private meeting with Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and said they were about to officially acknowledge that fact. Immediately following the vote, Republicans insisted they had started voting before the midnight deadline and passed the bill that Democrats spent much of Tuesday filibustering. But after official computer records and printouts of the voting record showed the vote took place Wednesday, and then were changed to read Tuesday, the senators convened for a private meeting. So the wonderful upstanding members of the Republican party tried to falsify records to sneak the vote in. I'm shocked. Shocked I say. Shocking. Looks like they gave up. I'm guessing the fact that the whole sordid affair was streamed to thousands live might have had an effect. I expect they will call another special session to do it all over again. -SD-

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 5:06:47 AM)
FR, A number of posts were removed for various reasons. Please stay on topic or within normal thread drift, which does not include Chris Christie or Edward Snowden, both of whom have their own threads.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 10:36:57 AM)
Unlocked.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 10:40:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef http://bigstory.ap.org/article/texas-senator-filibusters-against-abortion-bill quote: AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas' lieutenant governor has acknowledged that Republicans missed their deadline to pass new abortion restrictions after protesters screamed down lawmakers as the final 15 minutes passed before the special legislative session's deadline. Senators from both parties emerged from a private meeting with Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and said they were about to officially acknowledge that fact. Immediately following the vote, Republicans insisted they had started voting before the midnight deadline and passed the bill that Democrats spent much of Tuesday filibustering. But after official computer records and printouts of the voting record showed the vote took place Wednesday, and then were changed to read Tuesday, the senators convened for a private meeting. So the wonderful upstanding members of the Republican party tried to falsify records to sneak the vote in. I'm shocked. Shocked I say. Let me see if I have this straight. At least one member of the TX GOP quite possibly committed a felony because he felt he was morally required to.

stef -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 10:51:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Let me see if I have this straight. At least one member of the TX GOP quite possibly committed a felony because he felt he was morally required to. Not possibly, almost certainly.

Phydeaux -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/26/2013 10:55:53 AM)
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Lucylastic -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 4:30:28 AM)
OF course it was bound to happen....Perry calls for special session http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/rick-perry-special-session_n_3505786.html Perry ordered the Legislature to meet July 1 to begin 30 more days of work. Like the first special session, which ended in chaos overnight, the second one will include on its agenda a Republican-backed plan that critics say would close nearly every abortion clinic across the state and impose other widespread limits on the procedure. "I am calling the Legislature back into session because too much important work remains undone for the people of Texas," Perry said in a statement. "Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn." The first session's debate over abortion restrictions led to the most chaotic day in the Texas Legislature in modern history, starting with a marathon filibuster and ending with a down-to-the wire, frenetic vote marked by questions about whether Republicans tried to break chamber rules and jam the measure through. A second filibuster is harder to pull off though, since supporters of the bill will ensure it clear preliminary hurdles and reaches floor votes in the House and Senate well before the second session expires. The governor can convene as many extra sessions as he likes and sets the agenda of what lawmakers can work on. Also listed on the session's agenda are separate bills to boost highway funding and deal with a juvenile justice issue. Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who oversees the flow of legislation in the Senate, hinted that another special session was coming when he told lawmakers "see you soon" after the first session adjourned. The only thing that made me smile at this this morning was reading his words that Ive bolded, and seeing this on the front page of huffn poo [image]local://upfiles/228382/D4BF253377F640E2ACABE64D8D64AD67.jpg[/image]

hlen5 -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 3:49:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Do they get bathroom breaks when filibustering? No they don't, but someone else could spell her if they were supporting her trying to kill this "special session" bill.

Phydeaux -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 5:05:32 PM)
Soo as the token conservative here I think your knee jerk reaction should be tempered. The Gosnell trial exposed many flaws in abortion providers. Such as women dying from dirty unsanitary conditions and unlicensed practicioners having no medical knoweldge. this bill does not seek to close down abortion providers - but rather require them to have minimum standards for medical care. Secondly, the bill changes the term of abortion to 20 weeks - after it has been demonstrated that babies born at the 20 week mark are viable. I don't think a difference of a few days is a material infringement on abortion rights. If I'm wrong== please quote chapter and verse, as honestly I've spent only a few moments looking into the bill. But I think that is rather more than most here have spent with their knee jerk opposition.

DomKen -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 5:26:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Do they get bathroom breaks when filibustering? No they don't, but someone else could spell her if they were supporting her trying to kill this "special session" bill. Actually they couldn't. She couldn't yield the floor to anyone.

DomKen -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 5:31:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Soo as the token conservative here I think your knee jerk reaction should be tempered. The Gosnell trial exposed many flaws in abortion providers. Such as women dying from dirty unsanitary conditions and unlicensed practicioners having no medical knoweldge. this bill does not seek to close down abortion providers - but rather require them to have minimum standards for medical care. Secondly, the bill changes the term of abortion to 20 weeks - after it has been demonstrated that babies born at the 20 week mark are viable. I don't think a difference of a few days is a material infringement on abortion rights. If I'm wrong== please quote chapter and verse, as honestly I've spent only a few moments looking into the bill. But I think that is rather more than most here have spent with their knee jerk opposition. No. the Gosnell trial exposed one sorry person who took advantage of desperate women in need. That is all it did. And yes this bill and the others like it, all authored by the forced birth movement are called TRAP laws (Targeted Regulation of abortion Providers) and they predate the Gosnell case and are all about forcing abortion clinics to close. For instance why would a clinic that provides RU-486 or other medical regimes to terminate first trimester abortions ever need to be an ambulatory surgical center which is what the Texas bill would require. No fetus younger than 25 or 26 weeks id definitely viable. With heroic efforts a few 22 week old babies, about 10%, have survived delivery but there are sound scientific reasons to believe that is the absolute lower limit for feasibility outside the womb.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 5:34:31 PM)
Phydeaux A) you are not the token conservative here, by any stretch of the imagination. Your post however does show the typical lack of knowledge regarding the facts. B) At least be aware that the bill is NOT regarding viability, but Fetal Pain.hint, its even called the Preborn Pain Act. here I did some work for you to give you the text of the bill http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/pdf/HB02364I.pdf you can thank me later. C) Actually to most thinking people, the Gosnell case proves just how badly poor women have to deal being unable to get a safe abortion before the viability dates, and have to use a butcher like gosnell as a last resort. . As a result of the new "bill, it would have effectively closed 42 of 47 clinics in the texas area....given the SIZE and rurality of texas.... its going to cause more problems than it solves. Once again, you are arguing with incomplete knowledge facts and clues... I suggests you get one before you try asserting such BS Edited to add, the JAMA latest detailson fetal pain http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201429 And a CDC Paper on Abortion Surveillance. And SHaky evidence of the pain information http://www.policymic.com/articles/29006/fetal-pain-bill-proposed-texas-measure-based-on-shaky-science

tazzygirl -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 8:18:16 PM)
quote: Secondly, the bill changes the term of abortion to 20 weeks - after it has been demonstrated that babies born at the 20 week mark are viable. No it has not, not by any stretch of the imagination. But, because I know you would not deliberately lie, I want the source for that information.

Phydeaux -> RE: Bravery and fortitude in Texas (6/27/2013 10:13:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Secondly, the bill changes the term of abortion to 20 weeks - after it has been demonstrated that babies born at the 20 week mark are viable. No it has not, not by any stretch of the imagination. But, because I know you would not deliberately lie, I want the source for that information. Yes it has taz - not all babies, but some babies. And that was one of the horrors that came out of Gosnell, if you listened to any of the testimony. But anyway here's one line (and google will give you several more) saying that 10% of babies born at the 20 week mark have long term viability. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/house-democrat-falsely-claims-babies-born-20-weeks-arent-viable_733894.html

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