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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Maybe the trouble with the Zimmerman case is the lack of a proper criminal designation. Zimmerman to me (from the outside) did not commit a depraved act as much as either a criminally reckless / negligent one. He also had impaired judgment about having a firearm. Firearms make confrontations worse and deadly. Disputes and confrontations are best without any firearms involved.

Firearms are not really a tool of safety and self protection -- they are weapons most likely to cause irreversible, unintended consequences. (Killing a spouse, child or member of the family, killing an innocent person, of being used to commit suicide.)

P.S. I do see how you can make the case he had a depraved heart, I'm just not so sure a jury will buy it (if it sympathizes with him at all.)

This two way tragedy was mostly caused by Zimmerman carrying a firearm when he didn't need one.

P.S. II I intend to let the jury sort out the facts. To me the facts are in dispute.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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And people think I am crazy for thinking the verdict is predetermined and Zimmerman is going to walk which will lead to race riots all over the country?

I believe the police were correct when they said there was no crime to begin with... Then the pressure started coming from both citizens that knew nothing of the case except it was white on black and politicians. To keep their jobs they charged and are prosecuting Zimmerman knowing there is no way they can convict him... There just is not a case and so far the evidence presented backs that up.

PS.. You are right about riots when and if he is found not guilty... Not only did the legislature of Florida screw up with this law that is not well thought out...but they may also have caused the riots that will surely follow after he is found not guilty... by forcing the prosecution.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Keep proving and expanding my point.

Deliberately. Egregiously. Awesomely. Incoherently. Wrong.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

17 year old child is walking home in his own neighborhood. A third party aggressor follows him, an altercation ensues, and the aggressor shoots the unarmed child dead.


I thought you guys had given up the "innocent child" routine. He was old enough to join the Marines.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman affair smells like an occult sacrifice

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

We would be hijacking the thread to get into SYG but Florida's version differs from most others in some important ways that make this type of tragedy more likely to happen.

I've nothing against SYG type laws... just not Florida's version... it is too vague and gives people too much leeway in using deadly force.

I've already argued in other threads so I'm not arguing it here... just a comment and opinion and done.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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I believe the police were correct when they said there was no crime to begin with... Then the pressure started coming from both citizens that knew nothing of the case except it was white on black and politicians. To keep their jobs they charged and are prosecuting Zimmerman knowing there is no way they can convict him... There just is not a case and so far the evidence presented backs that up.

17 year old child is walking home in his own neighborhood. A third party aggressor follows him, an altercation ensues, and the aggressor shoots the unarmed child dead.

What role did race have?

If the child had been white, criminal charges would have been filed immediately.

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This two way tragedy was mostly caused by Zimmerman carrying a firearm when he didn't need one.

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And it is not relevant to this case.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

17 year old child is walking home in his own neighborhood. A third party aggressor follows him, an altercation ensues, and the aggressor shoots the unarmed child dead.


I thought you guys had given up the "innocent child" routine. He was old enough to join the Marines.

Legally, he was a child though.

Obviously, you don't ask someone for ID if you suspect them of a crime.

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This two way tragedy was mostly caused by Zimmerman carrying a firearm when he didn't need one.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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This two way tragedy was mostly caused by Zimmerman carrying a firearm when he didn't need one.

Better to have a weapon, when you don't need one than to need one and not have one.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Don`t confront strangers with a gun and that won`t happen.....

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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And it is not relevant to this case.

Not the criminal side... but certainly the cause.

Butch